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the smoke radio

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for the masses headline edition july 8

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1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is faded black with your host jimmy

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church

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on the game changer radio network and

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the global radio alliance

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i need your help to get to the year 1985

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with jimmy church

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on the game changer network

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good evening

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how you doing

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fade to black bespoke radio

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for the masses

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how you doing how you doing it's tuesday

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2020.

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro

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back and forth up and down east and west

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north and south far

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and near this is fade to block

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for kjcr the game changer network and

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kgra the planets

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i'm your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing all right

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i know you've been waiting for this

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tonight's the night

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we have very special guest contactee

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chris bledsoe

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is here for the very first time

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he'll be with us at the bottom of the

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hour tomorrow night

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that's what i'm talking about wow what a

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great week

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jim goodall last night chris bledsoe

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tonight

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richard dolan tomorrow thursday night

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jason

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quit conspiracy part two

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man and then we jump in the car and we

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head to vegas

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that's right oh

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man uh i can't do but i would love to

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take next week off

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can't do it though can't do it not gonna

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can't somebody sent me uh an email

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today that's said

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jimmy you have done over a thousand

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shows

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say tether hither and tether

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that you are saying it wrong

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and uh

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that it's supposed to be thither

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now let me explain

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something to you that intro

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which will never change

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but the hither and tether to and fro

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i'm going to tell you where i got it

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you want me to you guys want me to share

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that with you you want me to tell you

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where i

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stole it from because i'm okay with that

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i mean

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uh you know i steal everything but do

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you want to know where i

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stole hither and tither to and fro

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back and forth do you want to know who i

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stole it from because i did i stole it

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i'm waiting i'm gonna watch twitter here

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i want somebody

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to go and say yeah jimmy we want to know

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okay and then i'll let you know you can

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follow me on twitter

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at j church radio that's right hither

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at j church radio

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at j cheers radio the sandbox is hashtag

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twitter on twitter hashtag f2b on

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love hanging out with all of you guys

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where am i at hashtag f2bq is fade to

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black questions

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you can also email throughout the show

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okay so cassandra and twitter says

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yeah go ahead whatever tell us

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hither and tether to and fro

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comes from the movie

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fear of a black hat

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absolutely one of the funniest movies

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very very funny um

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controversial fear of a black hat

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watch the movie there is a

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scene in the movie where

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one of the rappers in the band is down

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showing off his gun collection

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host the interviewer in this

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mockumentary documentary her name is

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a take of nina blackwood off of mtv

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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and the way that he says it it is so

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funny and

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and i it's just like man i stole it

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i stole i stole it so there it is see i

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just came clean

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i came clean that's where that comes

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from so it will always be

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tether and if you're going to send me an

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that says something like that in it and

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you don't know where the humor comes

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from and you haven't seen the movie

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that's not on me

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it's black hat not black

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cat fear of a black

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hat is the name of the movie

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fear of a black hat and if you haven't

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seen it this audience

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you got to get inside my head you got

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and you guys are close you guys are

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close you are inside my head

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you guys know what i'm going to say

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before i'm going to say it you've

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listened to way too many shows and we

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hang out too much

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but fear of a black hat and if you

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haven't seen it that's it that's your

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required viewing for the night

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rita pop up a link to fear of a black

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nina yeah well it's that's that's nina

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because i'm sure she is tither sounds

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seeing fear of a black hat good for you

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see tarana you get me

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yeah there you go old english

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all right where am i at let's get to

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let's get to the breaking news

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next month on april 29th an asteroid

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between 1.1 and 2.5 miles wide is gonna

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fly by earth the asteroid is called

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five two seven six eight nineteen ninety

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or2 and it was first spotted in 1998

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earth and the moon and about or it's

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at about 3 million 900

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standard time all right coronavirus

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updates and i know today is super

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uh we don't discuss politics on the show

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anyway uh and if you're not watching the

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uh stuff and you're here with us tonight

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uh but we do got to cover the news and

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coronavirus the death toll from

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that did not work the dow jones

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potential exposure to

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the corona virus there you go

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let's get the show cracking happy

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birthday to today

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tone loke yeah

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tongue lock today 54 years old wild

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tone that's all i got man both those

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songs huge hits

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oh man i mean though those

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those rarely do you have hit songs

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like those two where the absolute

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country was taken over

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funky cole medina all right

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on the state of history otd are you

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ready

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check this out it should have been my

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fader fact

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so but anyway

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anyway in 1931 on this

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president herbert hoover signs a

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congressional act

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making the star star-spangled banner the

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national anthem of the united states

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isn't that crazy

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just 70 well now 90 years ago

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but that was just like yesterday you

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you know it it's just weird right you

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would think that that was a national

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anthem for 200 years

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not so pretty interesting on this day in

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1931

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fader fact in 1965

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it's a fader fact this is vetted

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in 1965 a senate subcommittee predicted

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that the united states would have two

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the year 2000

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that's right however in 1991

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the average american worker put in 163

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more hours per year on the job

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than in 1973.

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in 2019 the average work week in the us

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including everything part-time workers

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in the country the average work week was

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hours including part-time employees

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full-time worker average

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is 44 hours per week in 2019

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and that is your fader fact tonight very

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special guest chris

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bledsoe is here tomorrow night richard

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dolan is back

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always look forward to having richard on

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the show it's always great

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what i really appreciate uh

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about richard and i's conversations

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because we've had them for so long and

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we've moved past the standard stuff many

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many many years ago

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but people look forward

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to richard being on fade to block

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they do and the response to that is

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always tremendous man my email is full i

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get text messages

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i watch the internet i'll watch what

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happens and

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it's just a good time when richard is

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here um we have a dynamic between the

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two of us and trust me the dynamic is

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real richard

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and i enjoy our conversations things are

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said things are explored

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uh and usually revealed for the first

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time and

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we push each other back and forth but it

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just it's it's

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it's developed into uh one of the

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funnest funnest nights that you can have

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in in talk radio so richard is back

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tomorrow night i really look forward to

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that

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and he is too so richard is here

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tomorrow thursday night

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our other favorite it is jason quit now

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jason and i did part one of uh

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quit spirity last week and we got

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uh a third of away a third of the way

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through the list of our

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quit spirities and we've got we left way

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too much on the table

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and it was fun and we knew that we had

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to

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because we had guest book for monday

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tuesday and wednesday that's the way it

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goes

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and uh but that's going to happen on

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thursday night

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and the conversations with jason and i

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have developed into the same situation

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uh with richard and i or linda molten

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howe

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and myself where uh we've done so many

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shows together that we understand each

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other and it just turns out to be

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so much fun so that's going to go down

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thursday night

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instead of fade or night and we may open

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up the phone lines

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we'll see how compressed the show is all

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right so that's our week and

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like i said then after that rita and i

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are

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it's gonna be fun all right now river

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moon

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it's the best i talk about it every

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night on the show

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at this very time please visit

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rivermooncoffee.com if you go to

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there's river moon coffee uh banners

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right there click on it go and visit

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uh without question the finest best

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coffee in the world how these beans are

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sourced this is not off the shelf stuff

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uh we get these beans from outside of

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the united states

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on our own and bring them in

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and then roast them and it's it's it's

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done that way for a reason

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but i can assure you it's uh

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it you know this stuff doesn't come from

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giant

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corporate farms somewhere new

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and you taste the difference you feel

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the difference you feel

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feel feel the difference all right

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nina blackwood who got up we got fear of

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a black hat up first

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fear of a black hat everybody watch that

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movie tonight it's uh tremendous

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if you can get it in widescreen all the

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better okay

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all right all right a couple of years

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ago

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i started to mention the end of the

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universe

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and how it's expanding

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at an increasing rate now i went and

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spoke at you powers a couple of weeks

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ago we did a live stream on

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uh on periscope and some of you saw it

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but i mentioned um this

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in that presentation it was a small part

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of the presentation

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but it is something that i think about

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often

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okay and i've covered this subject

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many many times on the show and

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i i do this and i talk about

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it uh so often because i want you to get

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it

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absorbed and and so you're thinking

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about it in

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uh just uh naturally it's just

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it's something that you think about and

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contemplate okay

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but when we talk about the

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end of the universe and the expansion of

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the universe and

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how it's increasing at an accelerated

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rate

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and not only uh is this happening but

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the galaxies are also pulling apart

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and eventually the milky way is going to

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be all alone it's going to merge with

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andromeda but there's not going to be

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anything else around it so you're going

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to look out it's going to be gone and

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take out a telescope look into deep

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space you see nothing but blackness

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and and in a strange way when you talk

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about it in these terms

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i know that it takes away hope

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right i get that who typed gorillas in

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the midst

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man you get a mention

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mitchell v well played my friend

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he's seen fear and fear of a black hat

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a good video but it takes away hope

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because you

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want everything to live forever

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you know that there's always going to be

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a planet

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there is always going to be great great

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great great great great great great

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grandchildren and then

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and this is this is the way of things

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but

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it's not there's another part

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to this though and that is that the time

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scales

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that i'm talking about here are

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literally

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past a trillion trillion trillion

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trillion trillion trillion years

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not a trillion years the time scales are

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ginormous but

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there's another aspect to all of this

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that science is starting to

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discuss and it's something that i

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mentioned also a long long time ago

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and it's how long

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how long does energy

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photons light

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atoms how long do they

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exist how long do they live for

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right how long do they hang out

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because you have to look at it like this

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you've got to look at it in these terms

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that we are here on earth we're looking

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at stars that are x amount of millions

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of light years away

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and that light is you know we're seeing

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it here

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as it was admitted from uh something

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that long ago we're looking at light

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that's actually

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very very old and we're looking at the

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existence of things out there that is

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very

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how long

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do these particles last do these atoms

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last

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they seem to have energy that is binding

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them together that lasts

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forever and i'm not talking about

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half-lifes

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and in a way i am but i'm not talking

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about half-life so i'm not talking about

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stable and unstability i'm not talking

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about any of that

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talking about the existence of

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everything

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and we know that things break down

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chemically

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in the ground and if you leave it

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intervention some things are not

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biodegradable but that's

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not what i'm talking about either

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talking about how long

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will things just exist

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well these thoughts which science

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are discussing now

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these thoughts these ideas on these

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subjects

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come to me as i lay in the dark

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these are just thoughts these are

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thoughts that i have

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you know i'll close my eyes i'm in the

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dark and i just let my mind go

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sometimes i'm listening to a physicist

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sometimes i'm not but

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but i go into these

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states right and these concepts just

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come to me

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and they're look i'm not a physicist i'm

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not a scientist i'm not

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some scholared phd i'm i'm not any of

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that

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but i do have an imagination the thing

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is with me is i try not to forget them

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okay it it it happens when i'm awake

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thank goodness

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by the way it doesn't happen while i'm

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dreaming

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so i'm able to remember everything the

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next day i get up

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and i write everything down i'll be

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around rita

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and and her and i will be drinking

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coffee and i'll just turn to her and go

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i gotta go right

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it's because i remember everything i've

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got it locked in my head boom

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i disappear and i lock everything down

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i've got

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notes

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and and i just sit and i type and i get

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the entire

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thought out from beginning to end

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sometimes it makes sense sometimes it

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doesn't but

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uh uh i've gotten to the habit of

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uh i will get these thoughts out

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and sometimes just repeat them to you

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i'll come on the air

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and i'll go back and i'll cut and paste

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a thought and i'll get it in

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modify it a little bit and i'm just

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reading you

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my random thoughts my

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my ideas

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and i just spit it out there but now i

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pretty much got it on lockdown

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i'm able to go back and

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read my thoughts through my notes that i

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have archived and i can pull things up

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and go ah that's where i was at

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that's where my head was then

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and one of the concepts

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that i thought about a long time ago and

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i sort of

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said something about this a few years

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ago on the show

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was that what if it's one thing to build

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a generational starship

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where you're out and and you have five

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ten fifteen a hundred generations

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of humans you know on the on the

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starship and you're just

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out cruising in one direction and and

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there are others going in the other

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direction and they're doing their thing

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well okay that's an easy thing to think

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about it's been part of science fiction

575
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:36,000
for a long time people have talked about

576
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:37,600
this and isaac arthur's been on the show

577
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:38,159
many times

578
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:41,520
discussing these generational starships

579
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:45,279
but even if you had

580
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:48,559
what is perceived to be

581
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:52,080
an endless free energy

582
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:55,760
system on this craft

583
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:58,000
right where you can just tens of

584
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:59,840
thousands millions of years we can

585
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:00,960
accept

586
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:04,720
what i mean what out there says

587
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:08,480
that the atoms and

588
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:11,360
the things that the ship is made out of

589
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:11,760
just

590
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:17,360
together

591
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:21,440
right just dissolved us same atoms

592
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:24,799
right that we just desi that's it

593
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:28,960
and that suddenly everything just

594
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:32,640
ceases and i had this

595
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:36,559
weird thought about that that everything

596
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,399
just stopped

597
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:42,640
and that the there is no gold there is

598
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:43,600
no skin

599
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,320
there is no oxygen there is no light

600
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:48,080
there is no photons there is no

601
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:52,000
atoms that they just cease to exist that

602
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,120
that the energy is run out that binds

603
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,960
these together and then they just burst

604
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:58,399
apart

605
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:01,520
and they're just dead particles

606
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:07,750
so it's not about these

607
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:11,279
things ending hope of existence because

608
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:12,320
if this does happen

609
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:15,520
it's a long ways way way way way off

610
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:16,880
into the future

611
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:19,840
who can predict the future on with us

612
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:21,039
but

613
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:23,360
um with all of this expansion and

614
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:24,880
everything else

615
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,240
that the one thing with all of this

616
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:31,200
that we can depend on and we can look

617
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:33,200
forward to and we know it's always going

618
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:34,320
to be there

619
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,000
is our milky way so it's not that

620
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,080
we're going to lose everything we're

621
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:42,480
always going to have our milky way that

622
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:44,080
is not expanding

623
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:47,279
like the universe the galaxies are

624
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:49,520
expanding the universe is expanding

625
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:52,399
but the galaxies themselves are glued

626
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:53,440
together

627
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:56,240
so there you go all right all right all

628
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:57,600
of this

629
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:59,600
everything that i just said which is

630
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:01,360
something i just kind of

631
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:04,399
just remembered

632
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,640
right it's fun and i get to do it with

633
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,559
you every single night let me get out of

634
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:12,880
here so i can get chris bledsoe in

635
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,760
and tomorrow night richard dolan is back

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00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:16,799
thursday night is

637
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jason quit with quit spirity part two

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harmonious jimmy church this is fade to

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and kgra the planet

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

718
00:33:01,470 --> 00:32:58,880
you're listening to jimmychurchradio.com

719
00:33:11,020 --> 00:33:01,480
what's up i'm chris what up this is kyle

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00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,509
[Music]

722
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,600
all right welcome back fade to black i

723
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:23,279
am your host jimmy church on the game

724
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:24,080
changer network

725
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:27,519
and kg r a the planet tonight chris

726
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:28,799
bledsoe is with us

727
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:32,480
tomorrow night richard dolan is back

728
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:36,840
thursday night jason quit quit pit

729
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,720
conspiracy conspiracy part two

730
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:42,159
looking forward to that it's gonna be a

731
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:43,679
great week here on the show tonight's

732
00:33:51,470 --> 00:33:45,919
chris bledsoe

733
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:51,480
came face to face with

734
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:54,240
extraterrestrial beings and had missing

735
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,960
time

736
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:56,880
although he wouldn't recall the details

737
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:58,960
of that first terrifying encounter until

738
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,880
hypnosis a year and a half later

739
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:03,120
while on the banks of the cape fear

740
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,000
river chris

741
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,399
his son chris jr and three of his

742
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,320
subcontractors discovered they were

743
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:10,320
about to experience the most harrowing

744
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:11,839
day of their lives involving

745
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:14,159
unexplained phenomena leading them to

746
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,040
believe this

747
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:17,280
was the end of the world we'll be

748
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:19,520
discussing all of this tonight

749
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:21,200
mufon then sent their highest trained

750
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:23,119
team to investigate the encounter

751
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:26,079
only to attempt to debunk and ridicule

752
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:27,440
the bledsoe family

753
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,119
their experience was featured on the

754
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:31,679
discovery channel's 2008 series ufos

755
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:32,879
over the earth

756
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:35,919
the fayetteville incident multiple

757
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,839
three-letter agencies have been involved

758
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,520
with the bledsoe case bringing

759
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,839
increased attention and mystery to this

760
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:43,919
ever evolving story

761
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:46,720
he currently lives in north carolina

762
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:47,200
with

763
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,240
his wife and four adult children nearby

764
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:52,560
and i am really looking forward to this

765
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,839
conversation tonight

766
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:56,000
i would like everybody to welcome for

767
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:57,760
the first time to fade to black

768
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:00,160
chris bledsoe chris good evening man how

769
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:02,240
you doing

770
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:04,960
great jim thank you thank you for having

771
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:05,520
me

772
00:35:12,330 --> 00:35:08,800
no thank you but you know what chris

773
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:12,340
you get the first time guest disclaimer

774
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:14,880
[Laughter]

775
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:17,200
so let's get that out of the way first

776
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:18,240
which is this and

777
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:20,240
do you like my nervous laugh i hope you

778
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,839
just shifted in your seat a little bit

779
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:23,599
like what's all this about

780
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:26,240
but uh the first time guest disclaimer

781
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,359
is this

782
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,040
chris is just you and i sitting on my

783
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,520
couch having a conversation as friends

784
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:33,119
and where that conversation starts it

785
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,920
starts

786
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:35,839
where it ends it ends but we're gonna

787
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:37,040
end as friends

788
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:40,320
see that was easy you ready yeah i'm

789
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,520
ready okay

790
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,599
next time you're on the show you don't

791
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,520
get the first time guest disclaimer so

792
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,200
enjoy this moment

793
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:49,200
okay let's zen out together but it's

794
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:50,400
gonna be fun

795
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:53,440
um this is uh your

796
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:56,960
your case um which

797
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:00,320
uh is ongoing and uh we had a little

798
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:01,920
conversation before the show tonight we

799
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:02,880
don't need to discuss

800
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:06,079
that but um you know it's obviously

801
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:07,119
ongoing

802
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:09,520
all the way up to showtime tonight right

803
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:10,720
so

804
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:13,920
um which it it's caught the attention

805
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:16,960
of of quite a few people and

806
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,800
when you uh get into this community

807
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:22,560
like you have been and you've been

808
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:25,040
embraced and that's been been awesome

809
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:28,240
but you have to discuss these things and

810
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:29,839
this involves your family

811
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:32,240
and your kids and and your home and your

812
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,880
neighbors

813
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,040
and and your town and the next thing you

814
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:37,280
know you're that guy

815
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:40,880
how uh how has it been for you

816
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:45,200
uh are you better now discussing

817
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:48,320
uh these subjects than when things

818
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:51,440
kicked off back in 2007

819
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:54,560
absolutely 100 has

820
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:58,079
totally changed from um the general

821
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,000
population the public's change

822
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:01,680
their perception of this thing and

823
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:03,040
people

824
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:06,079
back then was totally

825
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:08,960
i mean it's just changed people are more

826
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:09,680
accepting

827
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,760
is what i've found and um

828
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:15,520
i'm just coming public for the first

829
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:17,839
time and really in like eight years this

830
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:21,040
this this richard dolan and yourself

831
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:23,680
you know so well what about your

832
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:24,240
neighbors

833
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:27,839
are you uh are you the uh the the ufo

834
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:28,160
guy

835
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:32,000
on the block right you know what i mean

836
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:33,680
what's that like when you go out and get

837
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:36,640
your mail in the morning well what makes

838
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,599
it bad is

839
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:39,920
as i was pretty popular guy in town

840
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:41,040
because

841
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:43,280
my father was well-known builder my

842
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:44,480
wife's father

843
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:48,160
was a well-known builder and i took um

844
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:51,760
i went into their foot tracks you know

845
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:55,119
and continued that building and it was

846
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:55,920
such that

847
00:38:03,109 --> 00:37:59,119
uh raleigh which is 60 miles away they

848
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:03,119
their general like wral

849
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:06,400
tv they would send their people just to

850
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:09,040
to get my opinion on the economy of

851
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:09,599
building

852
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:12,480
and such so i was really well known and

853
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:14,400
when it all happened

854
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:16,880
you know i thought the whole world would

855
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:19,119
want to know and after i told it i found

856
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:21,839
out real quick i became

857
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:25,760
everybody's whisper everybody making fun

858
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:29,119
thinking i'm crazy and

859
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:32,400
it's it was awful it has been but

860
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:36,480
things are much better now the uh

861
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,720
describe for me because we're going to

862
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:40,640
be discussing this throughout

863
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:44,160
the night tonight um tell me about your

864
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:45,119
neighborhood

865
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:48,960
uh and what's the lay of the land there

866
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:51,200
well it's sport brag north carolina so

867
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,400
there's like 60

868
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,640
000 enlisted soldiers or somewhere there

869
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,000
about and

870
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:58,079
it's a very big retirement area for the

871
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:01,119
va because of you know several veterans

872
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:02,240
hospitals here

873
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:06,400
and me being a builder and advertising

874
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,480
you know my company name was bledsoe

875
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:10,640
home builders and we built 100 homes a

876
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:11,119
year

877
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:14,400
close to it or more at times and

878
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:17,359
so i was well known by everyone and it's

879
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:18,560
flat land it's

880
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:22,400
uh we're in the coastal plain which is

881
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:25,119
flat you go towards bragg west of us

882
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:26,960
about 20 miles and you start getting

883
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,160
into

884
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:31,200
uh the piedmont they call it or the sand

885
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:31,920
hills

886
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:35,119
and but it's generally um

887
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:36,880
fayetteville north carolina is a small

888
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:39,040
town or it's growing now but

889
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,640
i would say there's a quarter million

890
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,480
people well that sense

891
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:45,200
yeah that's that's that's that's not

892
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:45,920
that's that's

893
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:48,880
city status right that's you know that's

894
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:51,200
that's that's getting up there 250 000

895
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:52,320
is a

896
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:55,440
a pretty big metropolitan area and of

897
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:56,560
course

898
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:59,119
fort bragg is not small that's one of

899
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:00,720
the biggest military installations in

900
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:02,800
the country no doubt right

901
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:04,880
absolutely and the town's joining

902
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:06,800
there's it's like anywhere else the

903
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,560
the surrounding towns like lumberton

904
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:12,640
there's 20 miles away but it's all

905
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:13,920
beginning to join

906
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:17,520
together and so i would say in a state

907
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:19,839
of 13 million people or 12 and a half

908
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:22,079
million people there's a whole lot of

909
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:24,319
them between us and raleigh i mean we're

910
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:25,599
right in the

911
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,960
middle of it uh raleigh durham chapel

912
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:29,680
hill

913
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:33,280
all the way to wilmington is is

914
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,920
pretty crowded so there's a there's a

915
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:37,440
lot of people that know

916
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:40,640
this story in this area and also

917
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:44,000
um and you know i've been through there

918
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,720
many many times i've stayed at chapel

919
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:48,880
hill i've stayed on the campus

920
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:52,079
and it is uh

921
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,440
it's for the united states it's it's old

922
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:57,839
it's established uh the families have

923
00:41:02,390 --> 00:40:58,960
been there for

924
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:02,400
uh a long time uh for generations

925
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:06,160
um there are uh for the large part i

926
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:07,520
would say

927
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:10,960
pretty wealthy right i i mean it's got

928
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:14,319
all demographics there but it is a

929
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:17,200
beautiful you you drive through there

930
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:17,680
and

931
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:20,880
you just see america don't you yes

932
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:24,079
this is the research triangle park you

933
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:25,119
have

934
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:29,280
uh major schools like nc state

935
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:32,240
the wolf pack the tar heels chapel hill

936
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:33,839
wake forest

937
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:36,640
duke university is all within an hour

938
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:37,760
hour and a half

939
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:41,680
of where i live and um wilmington is in

940
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,240
the

941
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:44,480
south for me only an hour and a half

942
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,760
away so

943
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:47,520
we're kind of right in the middle yeah

944
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:49,119
it's beautiful it's beautiful to go

945
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,800
through those hills and just drive in

946
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:52,000
the trees and

947
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,079
it's like wow there's duke oh raleigh

948
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:56,400
durham oh we're here you know at chapel

949
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:02,550
and uh it's all right there it's it's a

950
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:05,760
beautiful part of the country but

951
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:08,880
it's also because of uh

952
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:11,599
where fort bragg is uh i think that that

953
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:13,119
may have something to do with your case

954
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:14,880
we'll discuss that later

955
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:18,079
um but uh to have

956
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:20,560
this kind of paranormal activity and

957
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:21,280
it's not

958
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:24,720
just uh ufos is it it

959
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:28,160
or or an et presence it's it's

960
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:29,760
there's a lot of things that have been

961
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:32,800
going on and as we get into the details

962
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:33,520
of this

963
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,560
is connected that it's not a

964
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,720
separate series of events that

965
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:44,400
everything is related to

966
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,599
each other absolutely and i've

967
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:49,440
maintained that position for more than

968
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:50,560
13 years

969
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:54,079
and you know a lot of people back then

970
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:57,359
was all nuts and bolts and

971
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,560
honestly i got basically ostracized from

972
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:02,640
the ufo community because

973
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:04,400
i'm talking spiritual and they're

974
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:05,839
talking

975
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,359
nuts and bolts and so that was a

976
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:12,240
pretty downer when the community you

977
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:12,720
know

978
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:16,000
basically uh i just lost every friend i

979
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:17,599
had because of the way they were

980
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:20,720
making fun of myself and

981
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:23,760
my children would go to school and they

982
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,599
would get caught up front that happened

983
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:27,280
more than once and

984
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:28,800
questioned about their dad and their

985
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:32,319
friends were oh your dad's crazy because

986
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:36,000
of the the show that discovery

987
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:40,880
and mufon created and it was just um

988
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:44,000
it was a mess and so well and that

989
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,839
that's the the transition that you're

990
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:47,440
talking about

991
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:50,800
uh i think is a real one because

992
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:53,119
there was certainly a period and if you

993
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:54,079
go back to

994
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:58,160
uh the the early 1990s well and before

995
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,560
but

996
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,400
throughout the when when things started

997
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:02,560
to take off for the ufo community

998
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:04,319
people wanted to know what was the what

999
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,960
was it like inside of the flying saucer

1000
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:08,800
you know what was it what was it like

1001
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:11,119
with it what were the controls like was

1002
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:13,280
you know they wanted to know this nuts

1003
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,160
and bolts

1004
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:16,800
aspect of it and they wanted these

1005
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,760
descriptions

1006
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:19,599
uh that i think many couldn't actually

1007
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:21,760
give but that was

1008
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,079
the view of ufology back then

1009
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:28,240
today and we're starting to understand

1010
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:29,440
physics

1011
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:32,400
and interdimensionality and parallel

1012
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:33,119
worlds

1013
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,160
and these type of constructs

1014
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,280
where the e.t question well

1015
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,520
it may be nuts and bolts and and

1016
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:43,440
metallic flying saucers

1017
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:46,000
but there may be something else involved

1018
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,720
here

1019
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:48,160
and we're starting to understand that

1020
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,040
today so your case has resurfaced

1021
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,200
because you've been talking about this

1022
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:55,200
for so long do you feel a little bit

1023
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:57,680
vindicated in this

1024
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:00,720
i absolutely do and i have been

1025
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:03,040
for a long time not in the public but at

1026
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:04,480
least with

1027
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:08,000
my parents and my kids friends because

1028
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:11,280
some of these um three-letter people

1029
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:14,400
that i became very good friends with

1030
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:18,240
actually came to our house early on

1031
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:21,680
and one of them specifically met with my

1032
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:23,680
parents and told them you have no

1033
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:26,800
idea because they thought i was

1034
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:30,240
crazy and actually a friend of ours i

1035
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:32,319
can't say his name but

1036
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:35,440
everybody would know him he came um

1037
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:38,800
well i'll just tell you jim came

1038
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:43,200
several years ago and asked my kids to

1039
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:45,839
invite their friends over anybody that

1040
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,839
didn't believe in their father and he

1041
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:49,760
sat him down and said you need to

1042
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:50,560
believe

1043
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:54,240
i mean he's not telling a story and so

1044
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,040
that alone helped us more than anything

1045
00:46:02,470 --> 00:45:59,359
as a family and it drew us together

1046
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:02,480
we felt isolated from all the attacks

1047
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:03,599
but

1048
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,400
um we felt vindicated as a family

1049
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:08,160
because they were experiencing it and

1050
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:08,960
still are

1051
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,640
just like you know just like i was that

1052
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:14,160
night it never left

1053
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:17,119
it's still here now uh i want to talk

1054
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:18,400
and we'll do this much

1055
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:21,680
much later but you bring up uh your kids

1056
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:23,200
and your family

1057
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:26,960
and uh we're going to go back to 2007 in

1058
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:29,680
two minutes but i just want to say this

1059
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:32,640
um i watched a couple of times the

1060
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:33,920
series of videos

1061
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:36,560
that your son made your son made these

1062
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:38,079
videos

1063
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,280
in the backyard of a burning tree

1064
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,359
now works we'll discuss this later i

1065
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:45,440
don't want to do this now

1066
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:48,560
but now with this happening on your

1067
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,200
property

1068
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:51,599
in your backyard and your son is

1069
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:52,720
videotaping

1070
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:56,560
now your son is a part of this whether

1071
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:00,880
you want him to be or not how did he

1072
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:03,520
mentally deal with this because that was

1073
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:03,920
a

1074
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:09,359
right there in front of everybody i

1075
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:11,040
think your wife was even there wasn't

1076
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:11,680
she

1077
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,920
oh yeah the everybody was there and

1078
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:16,079
that's just one experience out of

1079
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:19,440
uh it's ongoing it never quit

1080
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:23,520
and so to that was more like marvel to

1081
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:24,880
him it was

1082
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:28,640
it was it blew everybody away even my

1083
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:31,040
mother and father lived next door and

1084
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,400
that was a turning point um

1085
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:36,640
and they knew there was a reason and

1086
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:38,079
i'll get into it later why

1087
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:41,359
that thing happened it was actually

1088
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:45,280
me asking these entities these celestial

1089
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:46,640
beings a question

1090
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:49,119
you know i need a sign i need a sign for

1091
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:50,960
this specific reason

1092
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:54,319
if it if you want me to do this i need

1093
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:55,200
to see it

1094
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:57,839
and that's what happened and i mean i

1095
00:48:04,069 --> 00:47:59,440
just

1096
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,079
response to a question

1097
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:06,400
and your son your son is okay i mean i

1098
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:08,480
can imagine he must be the most popular

1099
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:09,920
kid in school when that kind of stuff

1100
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:11,040
goes down

1101
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,240
uh but um

1102
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:16,400
the families dealing with all of this uh

1103
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,160
okay

1104
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:21,200
yeah um it wasn't always easy because

1105
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:22,960
you know when dad comes home from the

1106
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:23,599
river

1107
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:26,720
and 07 telling the story they didn't get

1108
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:27,599
home they were

1109
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:30,160
off my wife with our three of our

1110
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:32,000
children with her mother for a few days

1111
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,839
and it was just christopher and i chris

1112
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:35,280
jr

1113
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,880
when once they got home and she

1114
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:41,280
the whole family heard the story my

1115
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:42,640
children were very

1116
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:45,760
small my daughter was like 10 years old

1117
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:47,760
and then three boys were just a little

1118
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:50,000
older than her chris jr was the oldest

1119
00:48:54,349 --> 00:48:51,920
at 17.

1120
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,359
and so they were terrified i mean

1121
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:55,920
absolutely

1122
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:59,599
scared of what was going on the unknown

1123
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:00,640
not knowing

1124
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,079
what it was and then

1125
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,960
it started right away at our house it

1126
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:08,720
never left i would

1127
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:11,760
i was so obsessed jimmy that

1128
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:14,880
i wanted them to believe me that i

1129
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,240
actually started

1130
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,640
praying that my family would experience

1131
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:19,920
this with me

1132
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:22,400
so they wouldn't not believe me because

1133
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:23,119
everybody

1134
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:26,240
church members family members cousins

1135
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:28,000
aunts and our family's been here since

1136
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:30,319
the 1700s so there's probably

1137
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:33,760
four or 500 family members in this town

1138
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,119
and i was yet i was the talk of the town

1139
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:39,599
being made fun of and their my children

1140
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,680
were experiencing this stuff i'd get

1141
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:43,359
them up in the middle of the night

1142
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,800
five o'clock in the morning my wife

1143
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:46,400
would be so mad

1144
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:49,920
because there's this 40-foot blue

1145
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:53,040
orb hovering in the backyard or this you

1146
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,599
know

1147
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:55,760
bigger than that white orb hovering over

1148
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:57,839
a tree in our backyard or right over top

1149
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:00,000
of our house and

1150
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:04,480
there's many nights back in 0708 that

1151
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,720
they just had no clue and were terrified

1152
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:08,720
about what it was we were dealing with

1153
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,599
and

1154
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:11,680
of course i was battling that too the

1155
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:12,640
question

1156
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:15,040
i was i've always maintained it was

1157
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,240
spiritual

1158
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:18,720
uh there's some sort of angelic entity

1159
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:20,079
because i was sick

1160
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:22,400
and that went away right after i mean

1161
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:24,960
immediately they took that from me

1162
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:27,200
but yet the community was saying oh

1163
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:29,440
you're playing with satan himself

1164
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:32,720
of course yeah right and um

1165
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:36,079
and this is a very big area for

1166
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:38,720
christianity and then i was a deacon in

1167
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:41,520
the pentecostal church at one time so

1168
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,559
imagine me coming back telling that

1169
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:46,400
these big balls of fire came out of the

1170
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:46,800
sky

1171
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:49,520
took me away for four hours and took my

1172
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:52,079
crawlings away and that didn't matter

1173
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:55,680
didn't matter at all so yeah rita asked

1174
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,240
me the

1175
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,480
uh two nights ago chris you're gonna

1176
00:51:00,870 --> 00:51:00,160
laugh and it's okay you can laugh out

1177
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:00,880
loud

1178
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:03,040
rita goes so jimmy what's what's north

1179
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:04,720
carolina like

1180
00:51:12,510 --> 00:51:08,319
and you know how i answered her i

1181
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:12,520
said everybody goes to church

1182
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:15,839
everybody she goes

1183
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,240
she goes oh okay all right but but

1184
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,640
that's the best way that i can

1185
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:22,800
kind of uh you know for somebody that's

1186
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:24,079
never been there

1187
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:25,920
and and doesn't know what the community

1188
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,160
is like when they say the bible belt

1189
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:30,240
there's a reason they describe it that

1190
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:31,280
way

1191
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:34,079
and that's it and for you to say these

1192
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:35,119
words

1193
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:37,760
and i know rita's in her studio uh down

1194
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:39,119
the hall listening

1195
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:43,040
um you just uh reaffirmed that and for

1196
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:46,000
the audience you need to understand

1197
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:49,119
north south carolina and that entire

1198
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:50,079
section of the country

1199
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:51,920
up and down the coast and then going

1200
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:54,240
west you know into tennessee and

1201
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:55,839
and arkansas and missouri and

1202
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:58,640
mississippi and and georgia alabama this

1203
00:52:03,990 --> 00:51:58,960
is

1204
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,000
uh something that you read about in

1205
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,240
books this is uh what happens in

1206
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:08,160
fayetteville isn't it

1207
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:12,000
absolutely i can pull out of my driveway

1208
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,119
and go a mile either direction just say

1209
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:17,520
i'm in the center uh in a mile each way

1210
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,119
there's probably

1211
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:21,280
a dozen churches that's right that's

1212
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:22,960
right that's right that's

1213
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:26,240
exactly it that's exactly it okay let's

1214
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:26,640
go

1215
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:29,680
uh before we hit the break uh let's uh

1216
00:52:36,750 --> 00:52:33,920
set uh uh set up what's going on here

1217
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:36,760
let's go back to january 8

1218
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:40,640
2007. um when you woke up that day was

1219
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:44,000
it just like any other day

1220
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:48,319
no um that's uh it's important to know

1221
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:49,119
where i was

1222
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:55,990
in bio07 my and and let's back up a bit

1223
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:59,680
and oh four i was just at the peak of

1224
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:00,160
being

1225
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:04,000
extremely sick with this disease and

1226
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:07,119
my wife and i were um

1227
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:09,520
we were steadily building you know

1228
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,240
houses

1229
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:12,720
by the tune we had 40 under construction

1230
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:14,160
at that time

1231
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:17,200
and desert storm was going on

1232
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:19,280
and when all that happens in a military

1233
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:20,559
town it shuts the

1234
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:22,720
cells just shut down it was hard to give

1235
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:24,960
a house away and i had 28 houses for

1236
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:26,480
sale

1237
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:29,280
and 01 when they first went to or in

1238
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:30,640
that area there was

1239
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:33,359
they were shipped overseas but so long

1240
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:36,240
story short my business was failing

1241
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:39,359
and to top it off i was so sick i wasn't

1242
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,640
able to

1243
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:42,720
to tend to my company like i should have

1244
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:44,240
been and

1245
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:46,880
you know 15 18 million dollars a year

1246
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:48,800
and it was just run by my wife and i

1247
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:52,559
it was basically dumped in her lap and

1248
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:55,599
and she was extremely worried about my

1249
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:56,079
health

1250
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:58,480
and i'm in bed mostly for two years

1251
00:54:03,349 --> 00:53:59,440
there

1252
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:03,359
so everything was going away my life's

1253
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:06,960
savings my career

1254
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:09,680
and i was i was suffering i was near a

1255
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:11,920
nervous breakdown i couldn't

1256
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:13,359
couldn't eat without being in the

1257
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,000
restroom 20 times a day i mean that's

1258
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,640
how bad it got so

1259
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:20,880
i actually ended up having a near-death

1260
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:21,920
experience

1261
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:24,640
and just before we sold the business she

1262
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:25,760
actually sold it

1263
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:28,960
um while i was in my bed

1264
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:32,000
uh the the lawyers came to have the

1265
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,079
papers signed and we got taken advantage

1266
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:36,319
of there so everything's going downhill

1267
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:39,280
that's where i'm at right that gets

1268
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:39,760
that's

1269
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:42,799
in 2004 and five so

1270
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:46,000
my father had had a heart attack and

1271
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:49,119
we had to sell our home a big beautiful

1272
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:50,160
home and

1273
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:53,200
move out we moved into a

1274
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:55,760
actually a mobile home that we remodeled

1275
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:57,119
into a house

1276
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:00,240
for our whole family and we relocated

1277
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:02,720
next to him and he was so worried about

1278
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:03,040
me

1279
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:06,000
because of not i was depressed i didn't

1280
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:06,799
want to work

1281
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:10,720
i couldn't i just felt so bad sick

1282
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:13,760
and so i was at the end of my bro you

1283
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:15,040
might say

1284
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:19,119
i was not um i was sick

1285
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:22,240
and i was unhappy i love my children and

1286
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:23,839
wife more than anything

1287
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:31,829
it was around october or september of 06

1288
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:34,720
dad talked me in to traveling to the

1289
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:35,760
coast

1290
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:38,000
in a couple hours away and building a

1291
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:40,079
house for a friend

1292
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:43,920
and so he talked me into it and i hired

1293
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:45,280
a crew of guys

1294
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:48,400
of 10 guys and we went down and

1295
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:51,359
for four months they worked on this big

1296
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,040
beach house and

1297
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:56,079
and then here it is just after christmas

1298
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:59,119
uh first week of january they finished

1299
00:56:09,829 --> 00:55:59,839
the

1300
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:09,839
got this done just come on home and

1301
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:11,599
make sure they've got got their money

1302
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:12,960
and it was a tuesday

1303
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:16,720
january 8th of 07. they called me on the

1304
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:17,599
way home

1305
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:20,880
they finished their punch list and said

1306
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:22,319
we'd like to celebrate

1307
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:25,520
um and i had the only four-wheel drive

1308
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:28,000
truck between us all and it you needed

1309
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:28,960
that to get down

1310
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:31,440
to where we were going which is a little

1311
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,559
cul-de-sac

1312
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,640
on a dead-end road dead ends to the

1313
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:36,319
river

1314
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:38,720
and so i agreed they got to my house

1315
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:39,680
around lunch

1316
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:43,040
picked their checks up and

1317
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:45,040
they talked chris jenner and i are going

1318
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:46,799
because my wife was out of town

1319
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:50,240
and about two o'clock they came

1320
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:52,160
they called and said they had cashed

1321
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:53,839
their checks and had their poles and

1322
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:56,559
equipment ready so i picked them up

1323
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,880
they're about five five to ten minutes

1324
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:00,559
away

1325
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:03,920
and the river was only five to

1326
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:07,760
eight minutes from my home and so

1327
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:11,440
about 2 30 we were we were parking on

1328
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:13,200
the bank of the cape fear river and it

1329
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:13,920
was in

1330
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:21,270
sunny uh real blue sky and

1331
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:23,359
i was scheduled to be very cold that

1332
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:24,960
night like freezing 30

1333
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:28,640
32 degrees and i wasn't into fishing a

1334
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:29,760
whole lot i was

1335
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:31,760
i didn't let them know especially my

1336
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:33,520
children

1337
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:36,319
my mental state how bad i felt where i

1338
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:37,680
was thinking i'm

1339
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:40,720
just crying out to whoever

1340
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:43,359
in heaven or whoever's up there i need

1341
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,240
help

1342
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:46,079
you know i'm just there that's where i

1343
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:48,079
was and it's important to know that

1344
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:49,520
because

1345
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:53,040
i have literally uh hundreds and

1346
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,839
hundreds of people that write me and for

1347
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:57,599
that many years to tell me their

1348
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:58,640
experience and

1349
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:01,119
nearly all of them having their

1350
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:03,119
experiences start off

1351
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:05,200
when they're at the bottom of you know

1352
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:06,240
lost a mother

1353
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:09,520
or a child or husband

1354
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:12,559
and especially death a lot of people

1355
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,440
come

1356
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:15,040
you know to tell their story because

1357
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:16,640
they've experienced trauma

1358
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:20,000
ptsd of some sort so

1359
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:24,079
2 30 we're there they put these little

1360
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:25,760
they went out they gathered these fork

1361
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:27,520
sticks and stuck them in the ground

1362
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:31,119
and had their cooler and um

1363
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:32,799
i left them setting with their back to

1364
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:34,799
the river i mean they're they were

1365
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,000
facing the river

1366
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:38,640
i walked away and told them i was going

1367
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:39,839
down in the forest

1368
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:42,319
which is in the end of the cul-de-sac

1369
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:44,559
just imagine going

1370
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:48,160
down uh across the field and i have to

1371
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:49,520
say this so we can

1372
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:52,559
get a view a mental picture would turn

1373
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:54,319
off a paved road and

1374
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:56,880
cross this field about 200 yards across

1375
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:57,760
a dirt road

1376
00:59:02,470 --> 00:58:59,920
a field and a road in the middle of the

1377
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:02,480
field two road road

1378
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:04,000
and when you get to the tree line

1379
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:06,160
there's a gate and when you open that

1380
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:06,880
gate and

1381
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:09,280
drive down you go eighth of a mile due

1382
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:10,799
east downhill

1383
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:13,839
to the river you have to turn and

1384
00:59:18,230 --> 00:59:15,440
parallel the river to the

1385
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:18,240
to the right or the south and then

1386
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:20,240
another eighth mile it dead ends into a

1387
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:21,920
cul-de-sac

1388
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:24,799
so we got set up in there and i left

1389
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:25,760
them and i walked

1390
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:28,640
further down into the forest okay let's

1391
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:29,200
stop

1392
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:32,559
break it's a perfect

1393
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:35,359
perfect spot to do to do this so let's

1394
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,680
uh

1395
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:37,440
get our break in our guest tonight chris

1396
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:38,720
bledsoe

1397
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:41,760
and we are well we're gonna finish when

1398
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:42,559
we come back

1399
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:45,599
but pick up where we're leaving off

1400
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:48,880
we're at the river this is fade to black

1401
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:50,319
i am your host jimmy church our guest

1402
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:51,760
tonight chris bledsoe on the game

1403
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:52,960
changer network

1404
01:00:12,549 --> 00:59:55,839
and kgra the planet stay with us we'll

1405
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:14,870
this is faith black with jimmy church on

1406
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:17,119
the game changer radio network

1407
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:22,079
and kgra the global radio alliance

1408
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:24,559
this is kgra digital broadcasting

1409
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:25,599
station

1410
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:30,000
salt lake city utah van buren arkansas

1411
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:32,079
hello my name is billy carson and i'm a

1412
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:33,680
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our guest tonight chris bledsoe and

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right before the break

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uh chris was uh setting us up

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for uh the events of january

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2007 and he's down on

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the bank of the cape fear river with uh

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three of his subcontractors his son

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chris

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from the group

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um everybody's got their fishing poles

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and that's what's going on on

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uh down on the river and and you walked

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away chris what happened next

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well it is now um about 3

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30 or 3 15. i just told you guys i

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wasn't into fishing i wanted to go

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down in the forest and sit on the

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riverbank and

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see wildlife basically it was just an

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excuse to get away and try to

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meditate and call on

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the universe to help me in this

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situation

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you know just just felt bad

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and was in a bad way but so now it's 3

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30

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um i walk away i walk about

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i don't know a quarter mile at most down

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south back in the back of the cul-de-sac

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which is important because that's where

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chris jr went to

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to search for me later and

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i sat down by a big old oak tree in a

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a a river gully where the creeks run

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into

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place and

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and never did see a thing but sat there

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until about

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4 4 15 4 30 i guess and it's

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it's probably 4 30 and it's getting dark

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it's january so the sun sits

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just about 5 30. so it's dark in the

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forest

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it's starting to get dark and i thought

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maybe i'd better come out and check on

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the guys i didn't have a flashlight

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so i walked back up to them they were

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having a ball everything was rosy

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they were still sitting there fishing

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side by side

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and my question was do you want to go

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home

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or do you want to light a fire because

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it's going to get cold tonight

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and they were all like we we're having

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fun let's stay a while

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we haven't been here that long so i said

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okay let's everybody stop what we're

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doing and let's go gather wood and so

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all five of us

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um jumped up and and went around that

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one acre of

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cul-de-sac a picnic area and

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picked up a whole lot of broken limbs

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and deadpool

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and got him a fire going and it's now

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about

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i would say 10 after five and

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they were back fishing and i felt like

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well i got them situated

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because usually that's my mentality i

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felt like i'm working still

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organizing people so i felt that they

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were

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i'm going to walk back up to the

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field where we came in which is a

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quarter mile away

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you have to go parallel with the river

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an eighth of a mile

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north and then when you get to that

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end it turns dead left west up the hill

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you got to go way up the hill so

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um i convinced them that i was going to

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go up and

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and sit and see if any deer

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or turkey come out and to eat to feed in

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01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:01,359
the field

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01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:04,560
late you know before sunset

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and so i left them and i started walking

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01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:12,400
and i left the cul-de-sac the open area

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and started down this near

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01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:17,520
path where we drove in and that so it

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was real

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01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:21,600
narrow at that time and

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01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:23,839
actually the mirrors on my truck would

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01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:24,719
bump the

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bushes on either side of the road in

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01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:29,279
places it was that narrow going in and

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01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:31,120
it was real ruddy

1639
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:34,480
foot deep ruts with mud and so i'm

1640
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:36,239
walking up through there trying to keep

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01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:37,359
from stepping in

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01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:40,640
and ankle deep mud and

1643
01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:42,560
it's starting to get kind of dark down

1644
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:45,040
this area it's like trees just grow over

1645
01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:45,920
this

1646
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:47,839
like a tunnel down through there so it

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01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:49,679
was a bit dark

1648
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:52,719
didn't have a flashlight and of course

1649
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:55,440
you know i grew up hunting um killed a

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01:10:01,750 --> 01:09:58,239
deer my first year at five years old

1651
01:10:01,990 --> 01:10:01,760
and i grew up doing that i was raised

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01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:02,000
with

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01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:05,040
a father that hunted all his life and

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01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:07,840
that ended for me

1655
01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:11,280
for um ever after this experience i

1656
01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:13,120
never hunted again i just had to throw

1657
01:10:18,790 --> 01:10:15,679
that in there so i wasn't scared right

1658
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:18,800
but something on that first

1659
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:22,239
eighth of a mile leg i heard right away

1660
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:25,679
start walking to my left in the thick

1661
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:28,560
bushes and i couldn't see it and i

1662
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:30,400
thought well maybe it's a deer or maybe

1663
01:10:33,030 --> 01:10:32,320
it's a turkey heard me because i'm used

1664
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:33,040
to that

1665
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:35,280
you know being real quiet well it

1666
01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:36,719
started to freak me out because i

1667
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:39,440
stopped and when i stopped it stopped

1668
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:41,440
i thought that's not normal so i walked

1669
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:43,199
another

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01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:45,280
40 yards and it would start walking

1671
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:46,400
again

1672
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:48,800
and then i stopped and it stopped so

1673
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:51,920
after a couple times of that i got down

1674
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:54,159
and really looking under the bushes

1675
01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:56,080
trying to see back in there to what it

1676
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:56,960
might be

1677
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:00,080
right and that that happened three times

1678
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:03,920
on my way out to that first

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01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:06,320
eighth of a mile and when i got to the

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01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:07,199
end

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01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:09,440
and started up the hill the light was

1682
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:11,199
coming down that road enough

1683
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:14,719
that i felt more comfortable

1684
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:18,480
i wasn't uh fearful like i was at that

1685
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:20,400
time and that was a pretty

1686
01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:22,880
uh nervous time for me and i don't ever

1687
01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:24,159
get much

1688
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:26,719
that kind of nervous in the woods well

1689
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:27,520
you're here

1690
01:11:31,030 --> 01:11:29,120
you're in dark woods and you've got

1691
01:11:33,030 --> 01:11:31,040
footsteps going on

1692
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:33,040
and that's gonna freak anybody out chris

1693
01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:34,640
come on man that's okay

1694
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:37,120
that's okay that's okay all right so so

1695
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:39,199
what happens

1696
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:42,560
so i'm walking along after i lose that

1697
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:44,560
thought of what might be tracking me

1698
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:45,520
there

1699
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:46,880
i couldn't figure it out because it

1700
01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:48,719
sounded like two feet

1701
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:51,920
i'd ruled out turkey deer i get to the

1702
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:52,400
end

1703
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:55,199
and i feel a sense of relief because i'm

1704
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:55,920
looking

1705
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:58,159
up the hill and light is kind of

1706
01:12:02,470 --> 01:11:59,360
illuminating that

1707
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:02,480
last eighth of a mile uphill

1708
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:04,960
you could see the gateway up ahead and

1709
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:06,159
the sound quit

1710
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:09,280
so my mind went back to

1711
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:12,880
uh asking whoever's up there i need help

1712
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:15,840
i mean i i don't want to i don't know

1713
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:17,920
what to do i'm 40

1714
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:22,000
filed and i'm having to start over

1715
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:24,880
what do i do help me and that's i was

1716
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:26,000
kind of

1717
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:29,760
that's where i was so as i made my way

1718
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:30,400
up

1719
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:32,719
i'm watching every footstep because it's

1720
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:34,159
muddy

1721
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:36,080
take a couple steps and i'd look ahead

1722
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:38,000
and i'd look back down at my feet to

1723
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:38,640
keep them

1724
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:41,280
from stepping in the ruts and and as i

1725
01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:41,760
got

1726
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:44,480
closer to the gate which is a hundred

1727
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:44,960
feet

1728
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:49,520
in elevation roughly from the bottom up

1729
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:53,440
it was about 5 15

1730
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:56,480
5 20 now and so the sun is probably

1731
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:58,239
already set i'm thinking that it's

1732
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:00,800
probably already set behind the trees

1733
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:04,400
perfect time to get up here and

1734
01:13:08,709 --> 01:13:07,360
when i got about 20 feet from that gate

1735
01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:08,719
i began to see

1736
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:10,719
the tree line on the far side of the

1737
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:11,760
field

1738
01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:14,560
and the first time i glanced up the sun

1739
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:16,719
looked mighty big

1740
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:19,040
and brilliant orange like when it's

1741
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:19,760
setting late

1742
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:22,320
evening on the ocean or anywhere and you

1743
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:24,080
can look at it and it doesn't hurt your

1744
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:24,480
eyes

1745
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:26,400
on a clear day it's just brilliant

1746
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:27,760
orange and

1747
01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:29,600
soft to the eyes so that's what it

1748
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:32,239
looked like to start with but

1749
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:35,600
look mighty big and i didn't think about

1750
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:37,120
it the first time i just

1751
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:38,719
looked back down took a couple more

1752
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:40,560
steps and when i got

1753
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:43,040
a little bit higher up my my field of

1754
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:44,719
vision widened

1755
01:13:48,790 --> 01:13:46,400
you know i couldn't see but just down

1756
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:48,800
this tunnel and when i got closer to the

1757
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:50,320
top i could see wider

1758
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:52,080
well now there's another sun sitting

1759
01:13:57,189 --> 01:13:54,080
there two of them

1760
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:57,199
and it didn't take me but a second to

1761
01:14:01,270 --> 01:13:58,239
rule out every

1762
01:14:03,510 --> 01:14:01,280
known thing to humanity because i am a

1763
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:03,520
commercial rated pilot and that was

1764
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:07,440
the love of my life and i chose

1765
01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:09,600
building because of children instead of

1766
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:11,199
flying career

1767
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:12,880
because we had four children and i

1768
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:15,040
didn't i wanted to raise my kids with my

1769
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:18,320
wife we're very tight with our family

1770
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:21,280
but i knew it wasn't from this world so

1771
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:22,560
i immediately

1772
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:25,679
squatted down and used the heel to hide

1773
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:26,480
myself

1774
01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:28,480
i mean i could i could duck down and

1775
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:30,080
they couldn't see me

1776
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:32,640
and i thought they couldn't so i sat

1777
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:34,560
there a few minutes and i was like oh my

1778
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:35,840
god what is this

1779
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:38,320
i i got the chills my hair was standing

1780
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:38,960
up

1781
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:41,040
and i started getting fearful and i

1782
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:43,760
thought maybe i should run

1783
01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:45,760
so i raised up and i looked and they're

1784
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:47,199
still there these big

1785
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:50,320
giant orange balls of liquid fire

1786
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:52,719
it looked like it was rotating kind of

1787
01:14:56,390 --> 01:14:54,480
clockwise around it and

1788
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:56,400
there were little flames shooting off

1789
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:58,080
little tips of fire

1790
01:15:02,550 --> 01:15:00,400
appeared to be shooting off these two

1791
01:15:05,830 --> 01:15:02,560
things they were just the other side

1792
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:05,840
of the field out at the highway and

1793
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:09,280
the field was about 200 yards across

1794
01:16:43,270 --> 01:15:12,800
how big were they how big were they

1795
01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:45,830
and then at that time realization struck

1796
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:47,040
when i said where's

1797
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:49,760
chris junior and they said well he went

1798
01:16:53,110 --> 01:16:51,520
back in the woods where you went earlier

1799
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:53,120
that day looking for you

1800
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:56,000
as we one guy stayed at the fire and two

1801
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:56,880
got in a truck

1802
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:00,000
and they drove everywhere and so

1803
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:03,120
it's now about ten o'clock whoa whoa

1804
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:04,960
whoa whoa okay let's stop there for a

1805
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:05,760
second

1806
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:08,400
now i got some questions okay let's stop

1807
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:09,840
right there

1808
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:14,239
uh to to set up what is going down here

1809
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:17,600
obviously now there's missing time

1810
01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:21,840
but you in describing all of this

1811
01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:24,159
it sounds to me like you could have

1812
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:25,040
yelled

1813
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:26,719
from the field and they would have heard

1814
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:28,560
you right absolutely

1815
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:30,239
right you guys were that close in

1816
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:32,960
proximity they've been out searching for

1817
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:33,360
you

1818
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:41,440
about the two or three balls of light

1819
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:44,400
that are over your shoulder and

1820
01:17:48,149 --> 01:17:46,239
you're assuming that they're probably

1821
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:48,159
even still in the field

1822
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:50,480
you're coming down to tell them about

1823
01:17:53,910 --> 01:17:51,280
all of this

1824
01:17:55,030 --> 01:17:53,920
but the exact opposite is going down

1825
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:55,040
they're freaked out

1826
01:18:00,149 --> 01:17:56,880
because you've been missing for five

1827
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:00,159
hours your son's out searching for you

1828
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:03,040
there they've been panicking because

1829
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:04,320
they can't find you

1830
01:18:07,510 --> 01:18:06,640
and you just walk up on them like hey

1831
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:07,520
man what's up

1832
01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:09,520
you gotta come check this out that's

1833
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:11,679
what was going down right

1834
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:13,600
that's exactly what was going on and

1835
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:15,120
what had them all

1836
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:17,280
really they were so quiet when i walked

1837
01:18:23,590 --> 01:18:20,560
up their eyes were biggest saucers and

1838
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:23,600
and i asked i didn't even really have

1839
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:26,000
just a minutes conversation as i'm

1840
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:28,239
walking up and i pause just long enough

1841
01:18:32,550 --> 01:18:30,320
to find out where's chris jr and they

1842
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:32,560
said well we lost him two hours ago he

1843
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:32,960
went

1844
01:18:37,510 --> 01:18:35,360
that way looking for you and i thought

1845
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:37,520
oh my god i just freaked out

1846
01:18:42,950 --> 01:18:40,640
he's i could see my child you know

1847
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:42,960
young boy 17 years old down in these

1848
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:45,040
woods and it's really rugged

1849
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:48,159
gullies and uh it's a big head of woods

1850
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:50,080
and i'm thinking he's lost in there

1851
01:18:53,590 --> 01:18:52,719
i mean now we got problems so i just

1852
01:18:56,550 --> 01:18:53,600
took off

1853
01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:56,560
away from them and i ran to the back of

1854
01:19:02,070 --> 01:18:58,640
that cul-de-sac which is

1855
01:19:02,870 --> 01:19:02,080
an acre in a round circle about an acre

1856
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:02,880
or maybe

1857
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:05,600
not quite round but is it is it paved by

1858
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:06,000
the way

1859
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:09,280
is it paved oh it's a grass yeah when

1860
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:10,320
you dead in

1861
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:12,000
into the woods and there's a little

1862
01:19:15,910 --> 01:19:13,679
grassy area that

1863
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:15,920
it was not mowed but it's where people

1864
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:18,960
would camp out and have picnics and

1865
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:21,760
and fish on the river but it's also it's

1866
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:23,920
also 10 o'clock at night so it's dark

1867
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:27,760
dark yeah it's dark not i couldn't even

1868
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:30,640
believe that i had i had any missing

1869
01:19:33,270 --> 01:19:31,040
time

1870
01:19:35,910 --> 01:19:33,280
that could make me believe it right and

1871
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:35,920
before you went off looking for chris jr

1872
01:19:40,310 --> 01:19:36,480
did you

1873
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:40,320
tell uh your three workers uh

1874
01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:43,679
about the uh the balls of light

1875
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:45,360
yeah and when i did that's when their

1876
01:19:50,310 --> 01:19:47,120
eyes were just like

1877
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:50,320
really uh they were freaked out because

1878
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:54,640
what had gone on was the best i can

1879
01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:57,520
explain it because while i was gone and

1880
01:20:01,590 --> 01:19:58,960
they were out looking for me

1881
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:01,600
chris jr was panicked he was looking for

1882
01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:02,320
his dad

1883
01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:05,440
and he would well he he left he was the

1884
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:06,880
first one to get alarmed

1885
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:09,520
looking for me why i hadn't come back

1886
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:10,560
and

1887
01:20:20,310 --> 01:20:18,239
um to get started on their uh

1888
01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:20,320
process of looking for me because junior

1889
01:20:23,830 --> 01:20:22,239
he's he's been doing it he'd walk

1890
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:23,840
towards the back of the cul-de-sac

1891
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:25,760
he'd call his father and he'd come back

1892
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:28,080
where's my dad i mean he's been gone too

1893
01:20:31,990 --> 01:20:29,040
long and

1894
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:32,000
finally he came walking up and telling

1895
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:33,679
them that he saw these

1896
01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:37,120
two red orbs that remember

1897
01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:39,120
the place i'd walked out of there and i

1898
01:20:41,669 --> 01:20:40,880
was nervous i kept hearing something in

1899
01:20:44,070 --> 01:20:41,679
the forest

1900
01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:44,080
tracking me well he's looking down that

1901
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:44,719
road

1902
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:47,280
and he sees two red orbs he said it

1903
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:48,000
looked like

1904
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:50,880
size of a a basketball came out of the

1905
01:20:54,550 --> 01:20:52,320
forest

1906
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:54,560
on one side the side that i heard the

1907
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:56,080
sound and crossed the road

1908
01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:59,120
and came towards where they were fishing

1909
01:21:02,550 --> 01:21:00,960
so he started coming up telling them

1910
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:02,560
there was these two balls of light went

1911
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:04,159
in the woods and they were

1912
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:06,000
like don't mess with us chris jr and

1913
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:07,600
he's like i'm telling you i'm telling

1914
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:08,400
you

1915
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:10,880
so they finally go on the manhunt junior

1916
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:13,199
goes back to where

1917
01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:15,920
he was at the back of the cul-de-sac and

1918
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:18,400
during that time

1919
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:20,400
he looks way down that path and he sees

1920
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:21,760
these two orbs come back

1921
01:21:26,709 --> 01:21:25,040
out of the river side of the road comes

1922
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:26,719
back out in the middle of the road

1923
01:21:30,149 --> 01:21:28,560
and now they're 100 yards from him or

1924
01:21:30,629 --> 01:21:30,159
close to it and here they come towards

1925
01:21:31,990 --> 01:21:30,639
him

1926
01:21:35,189 --> 01:21:32,000
and they're about waist high off the

1927
01:21:37,910 --> 01:21:35,199
ground two red balls of light

1928
01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:37,920
so he sees him coming closer and closer

1929
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:40,000
and as he got closer he gets scared and

1930
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:40,800
he

1931
01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:44,480
thick shrubs that

1932
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:47,600
surround this area i mean it's just real

1933
01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:49,280
thick brush right around there

1934
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:52,480
of cul-de-sac she ends up backing

1935
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:52,880
himself

1936
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:55,040
up under there to hide and they came

1937
01:21:59,669 --> 01:21:56,480
right up to him

1938
01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:59,679
within 15 20 feet of him and he could

1939
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:01,520
clearly see there were these two

1940
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:04,639
entities and they he describes them

1941
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:08,320
as three to four feet tall red glowing

1942
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:09,360
eyes

1943
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:12,880
and they were staring at him i mean

1944
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:16,239
eye to eye contact one all the time

1945
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:18,880
and the other was playing with stuff on

1946
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:20,480
the ground he said they would pick up a

1947
01:22:25,750 --> 01:22:22,400
stick or a bottle or a can

1948
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:25,760
and shake it and for two hours or close

1949
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:26,960
to it

1950
01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:29,920
the best we can tell he was he was

1951
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:31,520
pinned down

1952
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:34,239
having these entities never bothered him

1953
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:34,880
they were just

1954
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:37,040
always there he couldn't scream he

1955
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:38,719
couldn't

1956
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:40,560
move but i'm going to get my head of

1957
01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:42,880
myself i found him

1958
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:45,280
after about five minutes of me shouting

1959
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:47,360
for him and i start back into the woods

1960
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:47,840
he

1961
01:22:53,830 --> 01:22:51,440
from

1962
01:22:55,030 --> 01:22:53,840
under these thick bushes and he's he's

1963
01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:55,040
panicked

1964
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:57,840
he's like dad why did you leave me and

1965
01:23:03,830 --> 01:22:58,320
he's

1966
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:03,840
saying i didn't leave you son i was just

1967
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:05,679
up at the field he said no you've been

1968
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:06,000
going

1969
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:08,159
all night and i could not still believe

1970
01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:10,239
i had gone was gone all night i said no

1971
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:12,239
so and i have only been gone just a few

1972
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:13,120
minutes

1973
01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:15,040
he said no daddy why'd you leave me

1974
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:16,480
you've been gone all night these

1975
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:17,600
creatures

1976
01:23:22,149 --> 01:23:20,000
they they had me pinned down and he's

1977
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:22,159
describing this stuff so i'm

1978
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:24,239
i'm freaking out now i said well i saw

1979
01:23:28,470 --> 01:23:26,400
these lights up at the hill

1980
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:28,480
and so i grab him by the arm and i walk

1981
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:30,000
him over to the fire

1982
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:33,440
and these guys are now not fishing

1983
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:35,280
anymore they're just standing up looking

1984
01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:36,880
at the fire and they're hearing him as

1985
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:38,800
he's describing all this

1986
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:41,440
what he had experienced and of course i

1987
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:43,760
told him on my way up to the fire

1988
01:23:47,590 --> 01:23:46,080
you know what i'd seen so now it's

1989
01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:47,600
totally

1990
01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:50,320
everybody's kind of freaked out and all

1991
01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:51,199
of a sudden

1992
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:54,480
one of the guys points up to the sky

1993
01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:57,280
and says look and look at that and when

1994
01:23:59,830 --> 01:23:57,920
we all

1995
01:24:01,990 --> 01:23:59,840
raised our heads straight up and it's a

1996
01:24:04,390 --> 01:24:02,000
clear night

1997
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:04,400
what it looked like jimmy was the

1998
01:24:09,430 --> 01:24:05,760
constellation

1999
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:09,440
any one of them with a bunch of stars

2000
01:24:14,550 --> 01:24:12,480
eight or nine stars just begin to

2001
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:14,560
move about the sky and they would go

2002
01:24:18,709 --> 01:24:16,320
away from one another

2003
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:18,719
and they would come back together and

2004
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:20,560
this was going on for a minute or two

2005
01:24:23,189 --> 01:24:22,080
and all of a sudden three of these

2006
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:23,199
things

2007
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:27,040
come straight down at a very fast speed

2008
01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:30,320
slows to like it just was on a cushion

2009
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:32,400
and lands three of them on the other

2010
01:24:35,189 --> 01:24:34,320
side of the river directly in front of

2011
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:35,199
us

2012
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:38,400
now the river's not that wide it may be

2013
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:41,520
60 yards wide at most i would think

2014
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:44,719
and um at that moment

2015
01:24:50,070 --> 01:24:48,159
pandemonium set in we got these

2016
01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:50,080
three things landed over there

2017
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:52,080
everybody's freaked out by hearing these

2018
01:24:56,390 --> 01:24:53,520
stories of

2019
01:24:57,669 --> 01:24:56,400
you know uh christopher and me being

2020
01:25:00,470 --> 01:24:57,679
missing

2021
01:25:01,110 --> 01:25:00,480
and so immediately we just ran to the

2022
01:25:03,510 --> 01:25:01,120
truck

2023
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:03,520
left everything sitting on the ground

2024
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:05,520
left the fire burning i mean

2025
01:25:11,350 --> 01:25:08,800
we left grand jumped in the truck

2026
01:25:13,430 --> 01:25:11,360
and as we start out of there they're

2027
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:13,440
panicked

2028
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:16,960
oh my god you couldn't hear the words

2029
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:19,440
like i just said was flying about my

2030
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:20,159
truck

2031
01:25:23,669 --> 01:25:22,400
but the crazy thing is i'm not scared

2032
01:25:26,229 --> 01:25:23,679
anymore

2033
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:26,239
i'm trying to figure out what's going on

2034
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:28,400
but i wasn't a bit afraid but they were

2035
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:29,120
terrified

2036
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:34,560
out of there

2037
01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:36,880
uh my truck's wallering in the ruts

2038
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:37,760
they're saying go

2039
01:25:44,310 --> 01:25:41,760
faster go faster right one of them yeah

2040
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:44,320
one of the guys yells out that these red

2041
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:44,960
orbs

2042
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:47,760
which we understood from junior's

2043
01:25:50,629 --> 01:25:49,520
description of what they were were

2044
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:50,639
behind us

2045
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:53,040
coming one of them was anyhow following

2046
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:54,880
the truck out of there

2047
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:58,320
and i floored it as hard as i could

2048
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:01,440
and it was three grown men and my son

2049
01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:04,320
were just you couldn't imagine what all

2050
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:05,280
the

2051
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:12,960
it was total panic and so

2052
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:16,159
when i got straight going west out of

2053
01:26:20,229 --> 01:26:17,840
the worst part of the mud and i started

2054
01:26:22,149 --> 01:26:20,239
up that hill i was able to go faster

2055
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:22,159
and when we cleared the top of that hill

2056
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:23,440
i felt like

2057
01:26:26,950 --> 01:26:25,920
uh the old show streets of san francisco

2058
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:26,960
i used to watch that

2059
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:30,000
and they would jump over these hills

2060
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:32,880
you got four wheels off didn't you yeah

2061
01:26:35,830 --> 01:26:34,080
absolutely

2062
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:35,840
we were we were trying to get out of

2063
01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:38,080
there and as soon as we jump over the

2064
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:40,000
top of that hill through the gate

2065
01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:42,239
i laid on the brakes as hard as i could

2066
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:44,719
and slid to a stop because

2067
01:26:50,229 --> 01:26:48,239
those two original red or orange balls

2068
01:26:51,590 --> 01:26:50,239
of fire are still there in the exact

2069
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:51,600
same place

2070
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:54,080
and that third one orange ball of fire

2071
01:26:58,629 --> 01:26:55,520
that was up above me

2072
01:27:00,390 --> 01:26:58,639
that appeared and came down undoubtedly

2073
01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:00,400
was the one that got me

2074
01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:03,840
because it's now no longer red it's

2075
01:27:08,390 --> 01:27:05,280
looking like a

2076
01:27:15,350 --> 01:27:11,990
football or egg-shaped uh thing

2077
01:27:17,189 --> 01:27:15,360
i've heard tic tac many many times

2078
01:27:18,629 --> 01:27:17,199
and it got a lot of people's attention

2079
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:18,639
yeah i described it 40

2080
01:27:22,550 --> 01:27:21,360
45 feet 50 feet it's like a greyhound

2081
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:22,560
bus

2082
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:25,360
now sitting in the road crossways

2083
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:27,120
between us in the highway

2084
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:29,520
and it's sideways and it's glowing white

2085
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:30,320
bright white

2086
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:32,800
and it has this light going around it

2087
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:33,600
that

2088
01:27:38,790 --> 01:27:36,960
looked like spikes kind of like crystal

2089
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:38,800
spikes but it was the light doing this

2090
01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:41,199
and it was going around it and

2091
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:43,280
i mean every direction and there's a

2092
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:45,360
video i-10

2093
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:49,440
ufo it's called i-10 ufo

2094
01:27:54,629 --> 01:27:52,000
which is i-10 florida the interstate

2095
01:27:58,149 --> 01:27:54,639
somebody pulls over and takes this

2096
01:28:01,189 --> 01:27:58,159
video and i verified that video to

2097
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:01,199
some folks uh people that would know

2098
01:28:05,750 --> 01:28:04,159
the these scientists that that's exactly

2099
01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:05,760
what i saw

2100
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:12,550
it was just we had this standoff

2101
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:15,600
now everybody's really panicked really

2102
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:17,440
bad we thought it was bad before

2103
01:28:20,790 --> 01:28:19,920
now we got three on the river behind us

2104
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:20,800
we got

2105
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:22,560
two in the air in front and one on the

2106
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:25,360
ground okay right there let's take a

2107
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:26,560
break

2108
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:29,360
uh perfect spot to do that so let's uh

2109
01:28:32,629 --> 01:28:31,040
go ahead and get our commercial break in

2110
01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:32,639
this is fade to black our guest tonight

2111
01:28:37,229 --> 01:28:33,760
chris bledsoe

2112
01:28:40,149 --> 01:28:37,239
we're talking about january 8

2113
01:28:41,189 --> 01:28:40,159
2007 what happened at the cape fear

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river

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more with chris after this short break

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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tonight chris bledsoe

2229
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and uh chris uh picking up where we left

2230
01:33:49,350 --> 01:33:45,280
off

2231
01:33:50,629 --> 01:33:49,360
um you uh you guys hightail it you're in

2232
01:33:53,350 --> 01:33:50,639
your truck

2233
01:33:54,709 --> 01:33:53,360
um you encounter one of these objects

2234
01:33:56,950 --> 01:33:54,719
which is now

2235
01:33:58,790 --> 01:33:56,960
as you described it's changed its shape

2236
01:34:00,629 --> 01:33:58,800
a little bit or it's a different object

2237
01:34:02,550 --> 01:34:00,639
it doesn't matter it's it's now

2238
01:34:04,149 --> 01:34:02,560
like a bus crossing the road there's

2239
01:34:06,709 --> 01:34:04,159
three objects there

2240
01:34:08,790 --> 01:34:06,719
uh the standoff is about to start you

2241
01:34:12,550 --> 01:34:08,800
guys were already terrified

2242
01:34:15,189 --> 01:34:12,560
a terror o fight i might add and

2243
01:34:17,510 --> 01:34:15,199
but things are about to really go off

2244
01:34:20,470 --> 01:34:17,520
the rails you guys don't know this yet

2245
01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:20,480
um but at this point uh haven't you

2246
01:34:24,310 --> 01:34:21,040
learned

2247
01:34:27,590 --> 01:34:24,320
that you can't outrun a ufo chris

2248
01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:27,600
that ain't gonna happen that part is not

2249
01:34:32,310 --> 01:34:29,040
never part of the play

2250
01:34:36,149 --> 01:34:32,320
and that's what okay okay

2251
01:34:38,390 --> 01:34:36,159
all funnies aside um but i can't imagine

2252
01:34:41,030 --> 01:34:38,400
what you guys are going through

2253
01:34:43,350 --> 01:34:41,040
what time is it now how much time has

2254
01:34:46,550 --> 01:34:43,360
transpired from when you guys

2255
01:34:48,790 --> 01:34:46,560
uh and went to go find chris uh

2256
01:34:51,430 --> 01:34:48,800
you have left the field you encounter

2257
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:51,440
them that was around 10 p.m or so

2258
01:34:54,870 --> 01:34:54,000
and the five hours of missing time at

2259
01:34:58,709 --> 01:34:54,880
this point

2260
01:35:03,030 --> 01:35:01,910
well it's not very long because when i

2261
01:35:06,070 --> 01:35:03,040
got to them about

2262
01:35:08,870 --> 01:35:06,080
10 um the best we could

2263
01:35:10,629 --> 01:35:08,880
um figure between us is about 10 o'clock

2264
01:35:13,109 --> 01:35:10,639
i ran

2265
01:35:14,709 --> 01:35:13,119
uh right away to look for chris junior

2266
01:35:17,910 --> 01:35:14,719
and within

2267
01:35:21,109 --> 01:35:17,920
within 10 minutes i i'm back to

2268
01:35:25,109 --> 01:35:21,119
where they are i have already found him

2269
01:35:27,270 --> 01:35:25,119
and we're back just about to see these

2270
01:35:27,990 --> 01:35:27,280
things come down and land in front of us

2271
01:35:31,109 --> 01:35:28,000
and

2272
01:35:33,350 --> 01:35:31,119
i would say it's probably 10 15 10 20.

2273
01:35:34,310 --> 01:35:33,360
gotcha that we're we're at the top of

2274
01:35:37,750 --> 01:35:34,320
the hill now

2275
01:35:38,870 --> 01:35:37,760
and and our road is blocked this two rut

2276
01:35:41,750 --> 01:35:38,880
dirt road that

2277
01:35:43,189 --> 01:35:41,760
comes across that bill well now this

2278
01:35:45,990 --> 01:35:43,199
third object

2279
01:35:48,470 --> 01:35:46,000
is sitting across the road about halfway

2280
01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:48,480
between us and the highway

2281
01:35:54,870 --> 01:35:52,239
and so now um

2282
01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:54,880
everybody's like where's the air force

2283
01:35:58,950 --> 01:35:56,880
oh my lord with this is it

2284
01:36:00,790 --> 01:35:58,960
we're going to die tonight i want to see

2285
01:36:02,709 --> 01:36:00,800
my children

2286
01:36:03,910 --> 01:36:02,719
i want to see them the last time before

2287
01:36:06,470 --> 01:36:03,920
it's over i

2288
01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:06,480
this was all happening in real time and

2289
01:36:11,910 --> 01:36:07,679
i mean

2290
01:36:14,629 --> 01:36:11,920
it was it was it was just pure panic

2291
01:36:15,510 --> 01:36:14,639
we couldn't go and so there's a mobile

2292
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:15,520
home

2293
01:36:19,910 --> 01:36:17,760
to our right and slightly in front of us

2294
01:36:21,189 --> 01:36:19,920
but to our right is adjoining property

2295
01:36:24,310 --> 01:36:21,199
and it's actually

2296
01:36:26,470 --> 01:36:24,320
all the way back near the gate

2297
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:26,480
and so one of the guys said hey i know

2298
01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:27,920
who lives there

2299
01:36:31,189 --> 01:36:30,560
um let's go up none of us had a cell

2300
01:36:33,430 --> 01:36:31,199
phone i

2301
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:33,440
i didn't have a cell phone period is

2302
01:36:36,790 --> 01:36:34,560
this the uh

2303
01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:36,800
is this the mobile home i want you to

2304
01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:38,719
finish this but

2305
01:36:43,030 --> 01:36:40,960
is this the mobile home where the door

2306
01:36:44,709 --> 01:36:43,040
was open and you guys went in and nobody

2307
01:36:46,629 --> 01:36:44,719
was there

2308
01:36:48,390 --> 01:36:46,639
well we didn't actually go in but i

2309
01:36:50,790 --> 01:36:48,400
drove my truck now i've got

2310
01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:50,800
this thing in front of me so i had to go

2311
01:36:56,229 --> 01:36:52,560
up about 30

2312
01:36:58,870 --> 01:36:56,239
or 40 yards uh towards this object

2313
01:37:02,070 --> 01:36:58,880
and then make a right across the road

2314
01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:02,080
across the ditch into their driveway

2315
01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:04,000
i pulled right up to their front door

2316
01:37:09,510 --> 01:37:06,239
and it was two cars home

2317
01:37:11,830 --> 01:37:09,520
the storm door was closed but the

2318
01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:11,840
main door was open so we could see the

2319
01:37:16,149 --> 01:37:13,360
tv through the door

2320
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:16,159
and the lights inside and i'm my bumper

2321
01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:17,760
is literally

2322
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:20,159
four foot from their deck facing right

2323
01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:21,360
dead in their

2324
01:37:25,270 --> 01:37:23,440
door and you didn't have a you didn't

2325
01:37:28,310 --> 01:37:25,280
have a cell phone did you

2326
01:37:30,629 --> 01:37:28,320
no right my

2327
01:37:31,350 --> 01:37:30,639
i couldn't afford it and i didn't want

2328
01:37:34,629 --> 01:37:31,360
the stress

2329
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:34,639
i had so many uh people

2330
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:36,800
from warranties from houses that were

2331
01:37:41,990 --> 01:37:38,960
still calling me that i no longer had

2332
01:37:43,510 --> 01:37:42,000
uh on the business somebody else did but

2333
01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:43,520
they were still calling me so i had to

2334
01:37:46,870 --> 01:37:45,440
get away from australia so here we are

2335
01:37:48,629 --> 01:37:46,880
with no phone

2336
01:37:50,229 --> 01:37:48,639
one of the guys says let's pull up there

2337
01:37:52,790 --> 01:37:50,239
i know this person

2338
01:37:53,669 --> 01:37:52,800
uh maybe we can use his phone and and

2339
01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:53,679
call for help

2340
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:55,840
and hopefully they'll see this with us

2341
01:38:00,470 --> 01:37:57,360
and so we drive

2342
01:38:01,750 --> 01:38:00,480
up i stop donny a friend of

2343
01:38:04,229 --> 01:38:01,760
one of the guys donnie he's a crew

2344
01:38:06,629 --> 01:38:04,239
leader he jumps out and he runs up

2345
01:38:09,109 --> 01:38:06,639
goes up this little stoop this little

2346
01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:09,119
deck is only like six by six

2347
01:38:12,229 --> 01:38:11,040
so he runs up and he knocks on the door

2348
01:38:15,350 --> 01:38:12,239
he looks in the window

2349
01:38:18,390 --> 01:38:15,360
and he shouts out to his friend

2350
01:38:20,550 --> 01:38:18,400
and nobody came to the door it was crazy

2351
01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:20,560
i mean the tv was going the cars were in

2352
01:38:25,109 --> 01:38:22,880
the yard and nobody came

2353
01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:25,119
so after a couple of minutes i'm looking

2354
01:38:27,990 --> 01:38:26,080
out my

2355
01:38:29,189 --> 01:38:28,000
driver's side window to my left and this

2356
01:38:31,510 --> 01:38:29,199
thing's still hovering

2357
01:38:33,910 --> 01:38:31,520
in the middle of the highway of the road

2358
01:38:37,030 --> 01:38:33,920
and you know 100 yards away

2359
01:38:40,310 --> 01:38:37,040
he gets back in the truck after nobody

2360
01:38:42,790 --> 01:38:40,320
uh responds and i back back out to the

2361
01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:42,800
road and i turn back and i'm facing this

2362
01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:44,320
thing again

2363
01:38:51,189 --> 01:38:48,000
so now we're a little closer to it and

2364
01:38:54,870 --> 01:38:51,199
um after i don't know how long uh

2365
01:38:58,070 --> 01:38:54,880
this two or three minutes maybe we hear

2366
01:39:00,070 --> 01:38:58,080
three gunshots and all we could think of

2367
01:39:01,910 --> 01:39:00,080
is somebody shooting at this thing

2368
01:39:04,390 --> 01:39:01,920
because there's a couple houses up near

2369
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:04,400
the highway not right there but

2370
01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:06,239
maybe somebody had seen it and they're

2371
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:07,920
firing a gun at it that's what we

2372
01:39:11,350 --> 01:39:08,800
thought

2373
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:11,360
all of us heard it and we reported it to

2374
01:39:15,030 --> 01:39:12,960
the investigators

2375
01:39:16,310 --> 01:39:15,040
well after the third shot this thing

2376
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:16,320
kind of pivots

2377
01:39:20,149 --> 01:39:18,400
it's only five feet off the ground

2378
01:39:23,430 --> 01:39:20,159
hovering sideways

2379
01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:23,440
40 45 foot long kind of egg

2380
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:26,719
shape and it turns towards us

2381
01:39:32,950 --> 01:39:29,840
and here is coming oh my lord

2382
01:39:35,990 --> 01:39:32,960
everybody is just completely about to

2383
01:39:39,990 --> 01:39:36,000
lose it um but i'm not afraid this is

2384
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:40,000
the crazy thing

2385
01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:42,159
i'm worried about these guys and my son

2386
01:39:46,709 --> 01:39:43,600
especially because he was

2387
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:46,719
like in shock so here this thing comes

2388
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:48,320
and it's coming towards us

2389
01:39:53,590 --> 01:39:51,360
and it's coming and it's coming closer

2390
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:53,600
it's very low and now it starts to gain

2391
01:39:57,830 --> 01:39:54,960
altitude

2392
01:40:00,229 --> 01:39:57,840
and by the time it gets to my truck is

2393
01:40:02,070 --> 01:40:00,239
there's trees behind us like river on

2394
01:40:02,870 --> 01:40:02,080
the riverbank and these trees are about

2395
01:40:06,229 --> 01:40:02,880
60 or

2396
01:40:07,109 --> 01:40:06,239
70 foot tall this thing barely clears

2397
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:07,119
these trees

2398
01:40:10,229 --> 01:40:09,920
i could have i've said it many times

2399
01:40:12,709 --> 01:40:10,239
took

2400
01:40:14,070 --> 01:40:12,719
taken a homemade slingshot and shot it

2401
01:40:17,350 --> 01:40:14,080
through my sunroof

2402
01:40:20,070 --> 01:40:17,360
and it hit this thing no no it was just

2403
01:40:21,669 --> 01:40:20,080
brilliant light it's glowing bright

2404
01:40:25,030 --> 01:40:21,679
white now

2405
01:40:27,430 --> 01:40:25,040
and it was very slow but once it gets

2406
01:40:29,350 --> 01:40:27,440
almost directly overhead it kind of

2407
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:29,360
pivots towards the north

2408
01:40:33,109 --> 01:40:31,280
and it fires off like it was shot out of

2409
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:33,119
a cannon just disappeared

2410
01:40:37,030 --> 01:40:36,400
immediately but now we we're heading

2411
01:40:39,189 --> 01:40:37,040
home

2412
01:40:40,470 --> 01:40:39,199
that's there was no if ends or buts

2413
01:40:42,950 --> 01:40:40,480
about it we're going

2414
01:40:44,470 --> 01:40:42,960
we're going quick and these guys were

2415
01:40:48,550 --> 01:40:44,480
fighting

2416
01:40:57,030 --> 01:40:48,560
home to their family purse

2417
01:41:03,830 --> 01:41:00,310
continue continue i know exactly that

2418
01:41:05,350 --> 01:41:03,840
that's exactly the mood right uh that

2419
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:05,360
that's the fight that should be

2420
01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:07,440
happening right now i get to go home

2421
01:41:10,629 --> 01:41:09,040
first what do you mean i'm going home

2422
01:41:13,669 --> 01:41:10,639
first i'm closer

2423
01:41:14,950 --> 01:41:13,679
you know that's happening um i wanted to

2424
01:41:17,510 --> 01:41:14,960
ask you really quick

2425
01:41:18,629 --> 01:41:17,520
um before it flew away as it's coming

2426
01:41:20,629 --> 01:41:18,639
over the trees

2427
01:41:22,550 --> 01:41:20,639
and you're describing this brightness

2428
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:22,560
was the ground and everything around you

2429
01:41:25,669 --> 01:41:23,600
illuminated too

2430
01:41:27,109 --> 01:41:25,679
as well was just everything enveloped in

2431
01:41:30,629 --> 01:41:27,119
the light

2432
01:41:32,870 --> 01:41:30,639
absolutely and what blinding brilliant

2433
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:32,880
and what did what what were you hearing

2434
01:41:37,510 --> 01:41:34,719
at that time

2435
01:41:39,189 --> 01:41:37,520
couldn't hear a thing i didn't hear no

2436
01:41:41,830 --> 01:41:39,199
noise from it it was just

2437
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:41,840
it was just i guess it could have if it

2438
01:41:45,350 --> 01:41:42,960
wasn't for

2439
01:41:46,229 --> 01:41:45,360
all the commotion in the truck sure

2440
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:46,239
everybody was

2441
01:41:53,590 --> 01:41:49,360
just shouting to the top of their lungs

2442
01:41:56,310 --> 01:41:53,600
and um and so

2443
01:41:58,470 --> 01:41:56,320
now this thing's gone so i floor it and

2444
01:42:02,229 --> 01:41:58,480
we're heading straight at these two red

2445
01:42:03,590 --> 01:42:02,239
um glowing orbs the the same ones that

2446
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:03,600
were there at five o'clock

2447
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:06,960
or five thirty that day five fifteen now

2448
01:42:10,310 --> 01:42:08,560
they're still there and we're heading

2449
01:42:13,030 --> 01:42:10,320
directly at them

2450
01:42:14,070 --> 01:42:13,040
uh but they're a little ways away from

2451
01:42:18,070 --> 01:42:14,080
the highway

2452
01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:18,080
the trees good

2453
01:42:21,750 --> 01:42:20,719
so we run out we we make it to the main

2454
01:42:25,270 --> 01:42:21,760
paved road

2455
01:42:28,229 --> 01:42:25,280
and i floored it and we had about

2456
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:28,239
two miles two and a half miles to get to

2457
01:42:31,590 --> 01:42:29,760
where two of these guys live they had

2458
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:31,600
next door neighbors

2459
01:42:35,590 --> 01:42:33,440
uh they lived side by side two and a

2460
01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:35,600
half miles away so as we're heading

2461
01:42:39,430 --> 01:42:37,600
they're fighting all of them i'm going

2462
01:42:43,189 --> 01:42:39,440
home first well

2463
01:42:45,590 --> 01:42:43,199
they agreed to let this other guy

2464
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:45,600
go home first which was four miles away

2465
01:42:49,189 --> 01:42:47,040
so we literally had to go

2466
01:42:50,709 --> 01:42:49,199
past their house drop him off turn

2467
01:42:51,510 --> 01:42:50,719
around and come back and drop these two

2468
01:42:54,229 --> 01:42:51,520
guys off

2469
01:42:56,229 --> 01:42:54,239
before christopher and i could head home

2470
01:43:00,149 --> 01:42:56,239
well on our way

2471
01:43:01,189 --> 01:43:00,159
um to to drop these guys off there's

2472
01:43:04,629 --> 01:43:01,199
this main

2473
01:43:06,870 --> 01:43:04,639
uh power line a great big high attention

2474
01:43:08,550 --> 01:43:06,880
you know where you got these big three

2475
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:08,560
lines four lines that drew

2476
01:43:12,070 --> 01:43:10,880
with these towers we had to cross up

2477
01:43:14,629 --> 01:43:12,080
under this thing

2478
01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:14,639
it's right in this short curve as we

2479
01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:15,440
near this

2480
01:43:19,669 --> 01:43:18,080
curve it's a 35 mile an hour curve you

2481
01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:19,679
have to really slow it down they call it

2482
01:43:24,629 --> 01:43:21,920
the dead man's curve

2483
01:43:25,830 --> 01:43:24,639
as we're going under it there's this big

2484
01:43:27,910 --> 01:43:25,840
giant

2485
01:43:30,070 --> 01:43:27,920
dark it couldn't see a color it was

2486
01:43:32,950 --> 01:43:30,080
black against the sky

2487
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:32,960
and it had these like lights across the

2488
01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:34,880
side as we were approaching the end of

2489
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:35,119
it

2490
01:43:41,350 --> 01:43:38,880
windows actually

2491
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:41,360
and it was very low just over that power

2492
01:43:44,950 --> 01:43:42,000
line

2493
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:44,960
and just to our left maybe 200 feet so

2494
01:43:49,669 --> 01:43:45,840
we didn't actually go

2495
01:43:53,350 --> 01:43:52,629
it was not hard for anyone to see it i

2496
01:43:56,070 --> 01:43:53,360
mean it was

2497
01:43:56,870 --> 01:43:56,080
there right over the power line i wanted

2498
01:44:00,229 --> 01:43:56,880
to stop

2499
01:44:02,470 --> 01:44:00,239
i'm still not afraid anymore

2500
01:44:03,430 --> 01:44:02,480
but they weren't having anything to do

2501
01:44:06,470 --> 01:44:03,440
with that and

2502
01:44:07,510 --> 01:44:06,480
it was like you can't stop the floor and

2503
01:44:10,629 --> 01:44:07,520
so

2504
01:44:13,990 --> 01:44:10,639
i actually took on off and and

2505
01:44:15,109 --> 01:44:14,000
i dropped david off first turned around

2506
01:44:18,470 --> 01:44:15,119
and came back

2507
01:44:20,149 --> 01:44:18,480
to drop donnie and jean off and i didn't

2508
01:44:22,709 --> 01:44:20,159
go as far as the power line

2509
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:22,719
actually uh christopher was so ready to

2510
01:44:27,109 --> 01:44:23,840
get home

2511
01:44:29,109 --> 01:44:27,119
i was uh ready to get him home

2512
01:44:30,550 --> 01:44:29,119
we actually instead of going back

2513
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:30,560
towards that power line where this

2514
01:44:33,590 --> 01:44:31,600
thing's hovering

2515
01:44:35,669 --> 01:44:33,600
so he didn't have to go through any more

2516
01:44:37,990 --> 01:44:35,679
of that i turned back

2517
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:38,000
and went back to where we dropped the

2518
01:44:41,350 --> 01:44:40,000
first golf and went that way home which

2519
01:44:45,430 --> 01:44:41,360
is the long way

2520
01:44:49,109 --> 01:44:45,440
and we we made it to this

2521
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:49,119
main four-lane road called 87 highway

2522
01:44:54,390 --> 01:44:50,400
which goes from the

2523
01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:54,400
coast to up to raleigh

2524
01:44:57,510 --> 01:44:56,480
so we turn left on the four-lane and we

2525
01:45:00,390 --> 01:44:57,520
got to cross back

2526
01:45:01,910 --> 01:45:00,400
under this power line it's uh where it's

2527
01:45:02,550 --> 01:45:01,920
just the other side of this head of

2528
01:45:05,910 --> 01:45:02,560
woods we're

2529
01:45:06,229 --> 01:45:05,920
paralleling the the four lanes so as we

2530
01:45:08,070 --> 01:45:06,239
go

2531
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:08,080
under or start to get towards that power

2532
01:45:13,189 --> 01:45:10,480
line their cars parked along the road

2533
01:45:16,229 --> 01:45:13,199
six or eight cars they're out they could

2534
01:45:18,070 --> 01:45:16,239
still see this big light hovering

2535
01:45:20,870 --> 01:45:18,080
back where we just came from it's about

2536
01:45:23,510 --> 01:45:20,880
a mile across that head of woods

2537
01:45:25,030 --> 01:45:23,520
or less to where this thing is still

2538
01:45:27,750 --> 01:45:25,040
hovering

2539
01:45:30,709 --> 01:45:27,760
of course i left i went on i slowed down

2540
01:45:32,550 --> 01:45:30,719
long enough to see it and

2541
01:45:34,950 --> 01:45:32,560
i floored it and we go on home

2542
01:45:38,149 --> 01:45:34,960
christopher and i now it's probably

2543
01:45:41,669 --> 01:45:38,159
i don't know 11 00 uh o'clock or so

2544
01:45:45,109 --> 01:45:41,679
i'm guessing so

2545
01:45:46,390 --> 01:45:45,119
we got a we have this um fairly big five

2546
01:45:48,310 --> 01:45:46,400
bedroom house

2547
01:45:51,270 --> 01:45:48,320
well it was a mobile home i turned into

2548
01:45:52,629 --> 01:45:51,280
a home and it was 3 500 feet we're close

2549
01:45:55,750 --> 01:45:52,639
to it

2550
01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:55,760
so christopher um

2551
01:46:01,189 --> 01:45:59,280
runs in the door ahead of me he runs to

2552
01:46:03,910 --> 01:46:01,199
come in the back door he runs to the

2553
01:46:06,950 --> 01:46:03,920
front he turns all the outside lights on

2554
01:46:07,750 --> 01:46:06,960
closes every blind locks the door he

2555
01:46:11,030 --> 01:46:07,760
makes

2556
01:46:13,030 --> 01:46:11,040
every bedroom he ran to he would run in

2557
01:46:15,270 --> 01:46:13,040
and close the window turn the light on

2558
01:46:17,669 --> 01:46:15,280
lock the door even the bathrooms

2559
01:46:19,910 --> 01:46:17,679
smart turned the light on locked door

2560
01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:19,920
smart i'd have done the same thing

2561
01:46:26,550 --> 01:46:23,520
yeah so i'm in the i'm in my study

2562
01:46:27,430 --> 01:46:26,560
uh turning the news on trying to find

2563
01:46:31,590 --> 01:46:27,440
out if

2564
01:46:35,350 --> 01:46:34,470
you know if there's anything on the news

2565
01:46:38,790 --> 01:46:35,360
because

2566
01:46:40,950 --> 01:46:38,800
um i just thought

2567
01:46:43,030 --> 01:46:40,960
we were being invaded we just knew that

2568
01:46:44,709 --> 01:46:43,040
the military fort bragg knew about it

2569
01:46:46,629 --> 01:46:44,719
and they were coming to

2570
01:46:48,550 --> 01:46:46,639
to fight it or to do whatever they were

2571
01:46:51,590 --> 01:46:48,560
going to do to save us

2572
01:46:53,669 --> 01:46:51,600
and and so that's i'm

2573
01:46:54,629 --> 01:46:53,679
trying to find the news chris jr finally

2574
01:46:56,629 --> 01:46:54,639
gets his

2575
01:46:58,390 --> 01:46:56,639
windows all battened down and doors

2576
01:47:02,149 --> 01:46:58,400
closed and he comes in there where i'm

2577
01:47:05,910 --> 01:47:02,159
at and within a couple of minutes

2578
01:47:09,590 --> 01:47:05,920
then i heard something it was a low

2579
01:47:11,510 --> 01:47:09,600
hum that was kind of like

2580
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:11,520
when it went over the house and and to

2581
01:47:17,030 --> 01:47:13,920
me i just immediately thought

2582
01:47:19,510 --> 01:47:17,040
fort bragg that was a chinook or

2583
01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:19,520
it was uh an apache and it's heading

2584
01:47:23,350 --> 01:47:21,280
towards the river because it was going

2585
01:47:24,870 --> 01:47:23,360
directly that way and it was very low

2586
01:47:28,390 --> 01:47:24,880
when it came over

2587
01:47:31,590 --> 01:47:28,400
that's what i thought well um

2588
01:47:34,629 --> 01:47:31,600
within two or three minutes it

2589
01:47:37,669 --> 01:47:34,639
it wasn't long my dad lived

2590
01:47:39,830 --> 01:47:37,679
next door we had six acres out in the

2591
01:47:41,750 --> 01:47:39,840
rural part of the county

2592
01:47:42,870 --> 01:47:41,760
uh i was born and raised there it was a

2593
01:47:45,270 --> 01:47:42,880
dirt road

2594
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:45,280
they didn't pave it till i was 16 so

2595
01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:46,800
that tells you it was kind of

2596
01:47:55,270 --> 01:47:50,800
15 miles from south of fayetteville

2597
01:47:56,950 --> 01:47:55,280
so we have um you know large lots six

2598
01:47:59,910 --> 01:47:56,960
acres between us dad and i

2599
01:48:01,669 --> 01:47:59,920
side by side and behind the house he's

2600
01:48:02,390 --> 01:48:01,679
got all these hound dogs that he's

2601
01:48:05,189 --> 01:48:02,400
raised

2602
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:05,199
since before i was born he had 104 was

2603
01:48:09,990 --> 01:48:06,960
the most he had so

2604
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:10,000
really large kennel enclosed

2605
01:48:14,709 --> 01:48:13,199
roof over it lights very nice but every

2606
01:48:17,990 --> 01:48:14,719
dog in that pen

2607
01:48:19,910 --> 01:48:18,000
there were 15 at least hound dogs and

2608
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:19,920
they have a very loud voice

2609
01:48:25,350 --> 01:48:23,040
they were making this noise that it

2610
01:48:27,590 --> 01:48:25,360
really stood my hair upon end because

2611
01:48:29,990 --> 01:48:27,600
they were seeing something that they

2612
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:30,000
sounded like they didn't know what it

2613
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:31,040
was they were

2614
01:48:36,390 --> 01:48:34,320
cautious afraid uh

2615
01:48:37,430 --> 01:48:36,400
my dad would call it a boo bark that's

2616
01:48:39,590 --> 01:48:37,440
what he would say

2617
01:48:42,870 --> 01:48:39,600
they're afraid of something right so

2618
01:48:45,990 --> 01:48:42,880
these these 15 dogs are just

2619
01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:46,000
they're just you could hear them a half

2620
01:48:51,270 --> 01:48:48,639
a mile away they're that loud

2621
01:48:52,070 --> 01:48:51,280
and i jumped up and i ran to the back

2622
01:48:54,310 --> 01:48:52,080
door because

2623
01:48:56,070 --> 01:48:54,320
immediately i thought somebody's

2624
01:48:59,590 --> 01:48:56,080
breaking into dad's

2625
01:49:02,390 --> 01:48:59,600
shop as we shared this 30 by 40

2626
01:49:05,189 --> 01:49:02,400
building together where we worked on

2627
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:05,199
boats and cars and motorcycles and all

2628
01:49:09,030 --> 01:49:07,440
my tools and dad and i stuck together

2629
01:49:12,950 --> 01:49:09,040
out there and all i could think

2630
01:49:14,790 --> 01:49:12,960
is is near the dog kennel somebody's

2631
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:14,800
out there around it about to break in

2632
01:49:19,109 --> 01:49:17,280
and these dogs are seeing it

2633
01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:19,119
that was what i thought i wasn't

2634
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:21,280
thinking no more ufo

2635
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:23,280
so chris jenner is like no daddy please

2636
01:49:27,350 --> 01:49:25,280
don't go out there please don i said son

2637
01:49:29,589 --> 01:49:27,360
we're going out there i've got to see

2638
01:49:31,430 --> 01:49:29,599
who's breaking in dad's shop

2639
01:49:33,790 --> 01:49:31,440
rosie's at the back door i'm looking

2640
01:49:37,350 --> 01:49:33,800
through the glass and she's a

2641
01:49:40,790 --> 01:49:37,360
100 pound chesapeake bay retriever

2642
01:49:42,790 --> 01:49:40,800
hair all standing up and she's barking

2643
01:49:43,830 --> 01:49:42,800
looking in the direction of the dog

2644
01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:43,840
kennel which is

2645
01:49:49,510 --> 01:49:46,560
close to 100 yards away down in the

2646
01:49:52,470 --> 01:49:49,520
woods behind our house

2647
01:49:54,550 --> 01:49:52,480
so i managed to talk christopher and it

2648
01:49:57,669 --> 01:49:54,560
will be very quiet we'll use

2649
01:49:59,589 --> 01:49:57,679
rosie in front of us too to protect us

2650
01:50:01,109 --> 01:49:59,599
and she wouldn't let nobody bother us i

2651
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:01,119
knew that and

2652
01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:04,080
i s so i said you just not use a

2653
01:50:09,510 --> 01:50:05,760
flashlight we'll ease back

2654
01:50:12,229 --> 01:50:09,520
down the path to to where the

2655
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:12,239
dogs are and kind of stay out of sight

2656
01:50:15,669 --> 01:50:12,560
and

2657
01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:15,679
see if we see somebody rosie or chase

2658
01:50:19,030 --> 01:50:16,800
them

2659
01:50:21,030 --> 01:50:19,040
so he grabs me by the back of the shirt

2660
01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:21,040
and out the door when i opened that door

2661
01:50:24,229 --> 01:50:21,920
rosie

2662
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:24,239
looked up at me and took off and she ran

2663
01:50:27,430 --> 01:50:26,159
out about 20 yards and stopped and

2664
01:50:29,910 --> 01:50:27,440
looked back

2665
01:50:31,669 --> 01:50:29,920
and i motioned her forward and we're

2666
01:50:34,229 --> 01:50:31,679
coming towards a very quiet

2667
01:50:36,310 --> 01:50:34,239
and she takes off she runs out of sight

2668
01:50:38,870 --> 01:50:36,320
back to where the kennel is

2669
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:38,880
so christopher and i sneak our way back

2670
01:50:42,229 --> 01:50:39,920
in the dark

2671
01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:42,239
we get up near the kennel and i was

2672
01:50:48,070 --> 01:50:44,800
autumn instantly perplexed

2673
01:50:49,990 --> 01:50:48,080
because they're not looking out towards

2674
01:50:52,709 --> 01:50:50,000
the road towards the front of the

2675
01:50:54,149 --> 01:50:52,719
the the kennel where the garage is it's

2676
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:54,159
right in front of the garage

2677
01:50:58,470 --> 01:50:56,400
dog count they're actually looking out

2678
01:51:00,070 --> 01:50:58,480
the back in the forest

2679
01:51:01,750 --> 01:51:00,080
and there's real thick stuff you can

2680
01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:01,760
hardly walk through

2681
01:51:04,830 --> 01:51:04,080
so i immediately thought well i can't be

2682
01:51:07,990 --> 01:51:04,840
a person

2683
01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:08,000
because if they were uh worried about

2684
01:51:11,030 --> 01:51:09,119
being seen they'd

2685
01:51:13,030 --> 01:51:11,040
hit the road and been gone they wouldn't

2686
01:51:16,550 --> 01:51:13,040
be back behind the dog count

2687
01:51:17,350 --> 01:51:16,560
where'd rosie go well she's she's frozen

2688
01:51:19,910 --> 01:51:17,360
right

2689
01:51:20,950 --> 01:51:19,920
okay i mean three feet from me she's

2690
01:51:22,629 --> 01:51:20,960
pointing

2691
01:51:25,430 --> 01:51:22,639
and her hair standing up and she's

2692
01:51:27,270 --> 01:51:25,440
barking into thick woods and all these

2693
01:51:28,870 --> 01:51:27,280
15 hounds are doing the same they're

2694
01:51:31,030 --> 01:51:28,880
barking

2695
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:31,040
at this real my hair is standing up by

2696
01:51:35,189 --> 01:51:32,639
now because

2697
01:51:35,750 --> 01:51:35,199
it was just real creepy the way they

2698
01:51:39,109 --> 01:51:35,760
were

2699
01:51:40,310 --> 01:51:39,119
that's all i could think maybe it's a

2700
01:51:42,229 --> 01:51:40,320
bear because

2701
01:51:44,310 --> 01:51:42,239
they've been bare spotted just down the

2702
01:51:47,669 --> 01:51:44,320
street from us

2703
01:51:48,629 --> 01:51:47,679
recently at that time so i whispered to

2704
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:48,639
christopher i said

2705
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:51,440
junior i'm going to send rosie in on

2706
01:51:55,589 --> 01:51:52,560
whatever is in there

2707
01:51:59,030 --> 01:51:55,599
and let's ram let's run back out to our

2708
01:52:00,870 --> 01:51:59,040
side of the lot uh

2709
01:52:02,790 --> 01:52:00,880
our lot goes grass all the way to the

2710
01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:02,800
rear of the property and this head of

2711
01:52:06,870 --> 01:52:04,719
woods is behind dad's house so i

2712
01:52:09,350 --> 01:52:06,880
immediately thought we could run back

2713
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:09,360
out towards the yard take a left and

2714
01:52:13,910 --> 01:52:11,440
go down about 100 yards to the back of

2715
01:52:16,470 --> 01:52:13,920
the property and stop and hide

2716
01:52:18,229 --> 01:52:16,480
and see whatever she runs out of there

2717
01:52:21,830 --> 01:52:18,239
and i'm thinking bear now right

2718
01:52:23,830 --> 01:52:21,840
right so i take off

2719
01:52:25,189 --> 01:52:23,840
we made an agreement he's got me by the

2720
01:52:28,550 --> 01:52:25,199
back of the shirt

2721
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:28,560
we took off running hard as we could and

2722
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:31,599
uh we run all the way back to the back

2723
01:52:35,750 --> 01:52:34,320
i well actually when i made a left hand

2724
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:35,760
and turn

2725
01:52:43,990 --> 01:52:39,840
um christopher pulled out away from me

2726
01:52:47,350 --> 01:52:44,000
and i just knew he was coming behind

2727
01:52:49,270 --> 01:52:47,360
me so i run and i run i didn't

2728
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:49,280
didn't look back i just knew he was

2729
01:52:53,030 --> 01:52:51,360
behind me and i ran to the back and run

2730
01:52:55,990 --> 01:52:53,040
up to this big old tree is you can't

2731
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:56,000
reach around it i mean it's huge

2732
01:53:00,709 --> 01:52:58,400
and i run to it in a full run and then

2733
01:53:02,149 --> 01:53:00,719
stop myself against it and i'm trying to

2734
01:53:05,910 --> 01:53:02,159
catch my breath

2735
01:53:08,709 --> 01:53:05,920
and i look back behind him

2736
01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:08,719
uh back behind me to see if he's coming

2737
01:53:11,750 --> 01:53:10,480
if he and i just thought he was about to

2738
01:53:14,790 --> 01:53:11,760
get to me

2739
01:53:18,550 --> 01:53:14,800
and when i looked behind me jimmy um

2740
01:53:20,310 --> 01:53:18,560
i used i i just thought i was gonna it

2741
01:53:22,629 --> 01:53:20,320
was it i thought it was the

2742
01:53:24,070 --> 01:53:22,639
end of my life at that moment because

2743
01:53:27,030 --> 01:53:24,080
behind me

2744
01:53:28,550 --> 01:53:27,040
about i don't know four to six foot away

2745
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:28,560
i could have leaned forward and touched

2746
01:53:32,229 --> 01:53:29,440
it

2747
01:53:33,510 --> 01:53:32,239
was this looks like about a four foot

2748
01:53:36,709 --> 01:53:33,520
tall

2749
01:53:39,030 --> 01:53:36,719
uh size of a four-year-old child

2750
01:53:40,229 --> 01:53:39,040
it was standing there staring me dead in

2751
01:53:41,510 --> 01:53:40,239
the face and i'm

2752
01:53:44,070 --> 01:53:41,520
my hands are against the tree i'm

2753
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:44,080
looking behind me right over my shoulder

2754
01:53:49,350 --> 01:53:45,920
and i'm like oh my god

2755
01:53:51,589 --> 01:53:49,360
this is it i turned i made myself closer

2756
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:51,599
to the tree and turned myself trying not

2757
01:53:55,189 --> 01:53:53,119
to get closer to it

2758
01:53:56,790 --> 01:53:55,199
and i got my back against the tree and i

2759
01:53:58,149 --> 01:53:56,800
looked straight at it and i said i

2760
01:54:01,510 --> 01:53:58,159
surrender

2761
01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:01,520
i mean you no harm and at that time

2762
01:54:05,910 --> 01:54:03,520
here's rosie she's getting closer

2763
01:54:07,030 --> 01:54:05,920
she's coming through this horse this

2764
01:54:11,430 --> 01:54:07,040
thing

2765
01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:11,440
says very loud i heard it like a voice

2766
01:54:15,589 --> 01:54:14,480
and it's standing there is is no

2767
01:54:20,629 --> 01:54:15,599
expression

2768
01:54:23,030 --> 01:54:20,639
is is glowing like the color of the moon

2769
01:54:24,950 --> 01:54:23,040
it's chest there's a triangle a dark

2770
01:54:26,629 --> 01:54:24,960
looking triangle

2771
01:54:28,390 --> 01:54:26,639
in its chest it's glowing so bright i

2772
01:54:29,669 --> 01:54:28,400
couldn't see nothing but the triangle

2773
01:54:33,109 --> 01:54:29,679
there

2774
01:54:36,310 --> 01:54:33,119
and which is very important by the way

2775
01:54:38,790 --> 01:54:36,320
and i'll get into that later but

2776
01:54:41,510 --> 01:54:38,800
it just says in this loud voice in my

2777
01:54:43,750 --> 01:54:41,520
head it says you don't understand

2778
01:54:45,270 --> 01:54:43,760
we're not here to harm you we're here to

2779
01:54:48,790 --> 01:54:45,280
help you

2780
01:54:50,070 --> 01:54:48,800
so here comes rosie all at the same time

2781
01:54:51,669 --> 01:54:50,080
this is happening

2782
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:51,679
it's less than a minute you know i see

2783
01:54:55,030 --> 01:54:53,440
this thing within a minute it's all

2784
01:54:57,750 --> 01:54:55,040
taking place

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01:54:58,310 --> 01:54:57,760
rosie starting to come out out of the

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01:55:00,149 --> 01:54:58,320
forest

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01:55:01,830 --> 01:55:00,159
almost to burst out of the woods and

2788
01:55:02,550 --> 01:55:01,840
this thing disappears right in front of

2789
01:55:07,350 --> 01:55:02,560
me

2790
01:55:10,390 --> 01:55:07,360
right on out of hearing

2791
01:55:12,629 --> 01:55:10,400
um at least a quarter mile i heard her

2792
01:55:15,109 --> 01:55:12,639
barking and she went on down

2793
01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:15,119
you know away from me into the stick

2794
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:16,080
forest

2795
01:55:22,709 --> 01:55:19,760
to the north of us and so

2796
01:55:23,990 --> 01:55:22,719
i i've just shut i'm shaking to the core

2797
01:55:27,030 --> 01:55:24,000
now because

2798
01:55:29,750 --> 01:55:27,040
now this thing uh has become a reality

2799
01:55:31,990 --> 01:55:29,760
i i've seen what junior is describing

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01:55:35,350 --> 01:55:32,000
it's got these

2801
01:55:36,229 --> 01:55:35,360
this glassy looking appearance i mean it

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01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:36,239
it looked like

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01:55:43,350 --> 01:55:39,920
it was polished the outside of his body

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01:55:45,430 --> 01:55:43,360
gleaming and it was wearing i would

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01:55:46,390 --> 01:55:45,440
guess this one piece suit with a

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01:55:49,189 --> 01:55:46,400
triangle

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01:55:50,550 --> 01:55:49,199
but it's glowing and it looks kind of

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01:55:53,189 --> 01:55:50,560
glassy looking on his

2809
01:55:56,070 --> 01:55:53,199
limbs i could see the triangle and its

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01:56:00,550 --> 01:55:56,080
eyes actually reflecting on its limbs

2811
01:56:04,709 --> 01:56:00,560
because it was so bright

2812
01:56:06,470 --> 01:56:04,719
and so i take off in a slow walk

2813
01:56:08,470 --> 01:56:06,480
back to the house and i'm trying to

2814
01:56:10,310 --> 01:56:08,480
think i can't tell christopher what i

2815
01:56:12,310 --> 01:56:10,320
just saw

2816
01:56:13,990 --> 01:56:12,320
what he did is he ran to the house when

2817
01:56:16,149 --> 01:56:14,000
he pulled when i made a left

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01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:16,159
he made a right he ran to the house and

2819
01:56:19,589 --> 01:56:17,840
was standing at the back door looking

2820
01:56:22,629 --> 01:56:19,599
through the back door

2821
01:56:25,669 --> 01:56:22,639
and as i approached it i'm thinking man

2822
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:25,679
i have got to have a cigarette and i s

2823
01:56:31,350 --> 01:56:29,520
i was a smoker then um

2824
01:56:33,430 --> 01:56:31,360
i had been about eight or ten years at

2825
01:56:35,510 --> 01:56:33,440
that time but i quit just after that

2826
01:56:36,629 --> 01:56:35,520
no it's okay it's cigarette time for

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01:56:38,870 --> 01:56:36,639
sure yeah

2828
01:56:39,750 --> 01:56:38,880
it's cigarette time right so i open the

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door and

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01:56:43,430 --> 01:56:41,440
i'm not telling junior what just

2831
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happened i didn't want to tell him

2832
01:56:48,229 --> 01:56:46,400
so i i go in my study and i'm thinking

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i've got to smoke i've got to smoke and

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01:56:51,910 --> 01:56:49,760
he's not going to be happy if i go

2835
01:56:54,950 --> 01:56:51,920
outside so i walk up

2836
01:56:56,950 --> 01:56:54,960
to my couch and at the back of the couch

2837
01:56:58,629 --> 01:56:56,960
is a window behind the couch so i put my

2838
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knees up on the couch and i'm

2839
01:57:02,470 --> 01:57:00,800
trying to raise the blind and

2840
01:57:04,790 --> 01:57:02,480
christopher's saying what are you doing

2841
01:57:07,510 --> 01:57:04,800
don't do that daddy what are you doing

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01:57:09,510 --> 01:57:07,520
and i said son i got a smoke i just got

2843
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to have a cigarette so i raised that

2844
01:57:13,030 --> 01:57:10,480
blind

2845
01:57:13,669 --> 01:57:13,040
and when i did about 20 feet from my

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house

2847
01:57:17,189 --> 01:57:16,000
the the flood lights were shining very

2848
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bright

2849
01:57:21,109 --> 01:57:19,119
there's this thing coming towards the

2850
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window and i saw it

2851
01:57:24,390 --> 01:57:24,000
fairly plain and it's about eight foot

2852
01:57:28,229 --> 01:57:24,400
tall

2853
01:57:30,629 --> 01:57:28,239
and i've seen this little one just now

2854
01:57:31,669 --> 01:57:30,639
same thing chris jr has described but

2855
01:57:34,629 --> 01:57:31,679
now here's this

2856
01:57:36,070 --> 01:57:34,639
very tall looking thing big head big

2857
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eyes coming towards me

2858
01:57:41,669 --> 01:57:39,599
and it scared me extremely i mean it

2859
01:57:43,669 --> 01:57:41,679
that one made the chills come over me

2860
01:57:46,390 --> 01:57:43,679
too i felt like i just stuck my

2861
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finger in a light socket and all i

2862
01:57:50,870 --> 01:57:47,440
thought was okay

2863
01:57:52,629 --> 01:57:50,880
protection time so i ran i grabbed him i

2864
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didn't tell him what i just seen

2865
01:57:56,870 --> 01:57:54,800
i just slammed the window down i grabbed

2866
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him by the arm and out the front door we

2867
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went

2868
01:58:03,030 --> 01:58:01,360
we got my truck and actually parked it

2869
01:58:04,790 --> 01:58:03,040
on the side the house we went out the

2870
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front door i wasn't going out where it

2871
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was

2872
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i ran around and we jumped in the truck

2873
01:58:12,870 --> 01:58:10,800
and we took off from there

2874
01:58:14,550 --> 01:58:12,880
and he's like uh where we're going i sit

2875
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away from here son

2876
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okay we ended up okay let's stop right

2877
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there gotta take a break chris i'm on

2878
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the edge of my seat

2879
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and i know everybody else is but i gotta

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take a break so let's get this in

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man man man chris chris chris

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your jimmy church our guest tonight

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chris bledsoe

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[Music]

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02:03:20,149 --> 02:03:18,320
welcome back fade to black our guest

2998
02:03:21,669 --> 02:03:20,159
tonight chris bledsoe tomorrow night

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02:03:24,390 --> 02:03:21,679
richard dolan

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thursday night jason quit conspiracy

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part two

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02:03:30,070 --> 02:03:26,560
[Music]

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02:03:32,550 --> 02:03:30,080
tonight it's chris bledsoe and uh

3004
02:03:33,510 --> 02:03:32,560
you know chris uh i've done a lot of

3005
02:03:36,870 --> 02:03:33,520
interviews and

3006
02:03:40,470 --> 02:03:36,880
uh a lot of experience with this and

3007
02:03:43,109 --> 02:03:40,480
and this uh well

3008
02:03:44,390 --> 02:03:43,119
it's extraordinary it's taking things to

3009
02:03:47,910 --> 02:03:44,400
another level

3010
02:03:49,910 --> 02:03:47,920
um but that part of it and the fact that

3011
02:03:51,270 --> 02:03:49,920
uh you've got co-workers involved your

3012
02:03:54,550 --> 02:03:51,280
son is involved

3013
02:03:55,990 --> 02:03:54,560
uh your dogs are involved right uh this

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02:03:59,270 --> 02:03:56,000
this is uh

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02:04:00,069 --> 02:03:59,280
this is an emotional uh experience for

3016
02:04:03,189 --> 02:04:00,079
you

3017
02:04:04,950 --> 02:04:03,199
and i i can't imagine uh coming out of

3018
02:04:06,790 --> 02:04:04,960
this on the other side the same person

3019
02:04:09,669 --> 02:04:06,800
and obviously you weren't

3020
02:04:11,189 --> 02:04:09,679
but uh wow wow extraordinary now i

3021
02:04:12,950 --> 02:04:11,199
wanted to uh

3022
02:04:15,430 --> 02:04:12,960
i brought up your three co-workers for a

3023
02:04:17,589 --> 02:04:15,440
reason before we move on with the escape

3024
02:04:19,189 --> 02:04:17,599
and i want to to get to the triangle in

3025
02:04:21,830 --> 02:04:19,199
the chest too as well

3026
02:04:22,830 --> 02:04:21,840
is uh your your co-workers gene and the

3027
02:04:26,229 --> 02:04:22,840
boys

3028
02:04:29,109 --> 02:04:26,239
um are are they

3029
02:04:31,430 --> 02:04:29,119
are they with you are are they going to

3030
02:04:33,510 --> 02:04:31,440
speak about this

3031
02:04:35,430 --> 02:04:33,520
uh well they did originally you know in

3032
02:04:37,669 --> 02:04:35,440
the in the discovery show

3033
02:04:39,270 --> 02:04:37,679
and they ran into the same problem

3034
02:04:41,270 --> 02:04:39,280
because we're all neighbors right they

3035
02:04:44,229 --> 02:04:41,280
lived couple three four miles away

3036
02:04:45,589 --> 02:04:44,239
right and our kids our kids went to the

3037
02:04:49,910 --> 02:04:45,599
same schools

3038
02:04:55,189 --> 02:04:49,920
and when it all went down the ridicule

3039
02:05:00,629 --> 02:04:58,149
it was due to the video the show we did

3040
02:05:01,189 --> 02:05:00,639
it made me look like i was a liar and

3041
02:05:04,229 --> 02:05:01,199
them

3042
02:05:07,990 --> 02:05:04,239
i mean like they were kooks

3043
02:05:10,790 --> 02:05:08,000
and all of us so they decided to never

3044
02:05:12,470 --> 02:05:10,800
discuss it again and if i see them

3045
02:05:14,950 --> 02:05:12,480
occasionally we do

3046
02:05:15,830 --> 02:05:14,960
but publicly they don't want to go

3047
02:05:19,189 --> 02:05:15,840
public ever

3048
02:05:22,470 --> 02:05:19,199
again because it was tough i mean

3049
02:05:25,830 --> 02:05:22,480
it was tough and i and see

3050
02:05:26,709 --> 02:05:25,840
i i tried that i tried to not go public

3051
02:05:29,030 --> 02:05:26,719
after i went

3052
02:05:30,069 --> 02:05:29,040
the first time but it never stopped

3053
02:05:37,350 --> 02:05:30,079
coming

3054
02:05:38,310 --> 02:05:37,360
they don't talk about it a whole lot

3055
02:05:41,350 --> 02:05:38,320
okay

3056
02:05:42,550 --> 02:05:41,360
yeah yeah i can understand why i i

3057
02:05:45,750 --> 02:05:42,560
totally can't

3058
02:05:48,950 --> 02:05:45,760
uh back to the escape um

3059
02:05:51,270 --> 02:05:48,960
what happens next so we run out

3060
02:05:52,310 --> 02:05:51,280
the front door we go around the side

3061
02:05:55,109 --> 02:05:52,320
grab my truck

3062
02:05:56,790 --> 02:05:55,119
and uh junior's like what's wrong dad

3063
02:05:58,069 --> 02:05:56,800
what's wrong i said there's something in

3064
02:06:00,790 --> 02:05:58,079
the yard son

3065
02:06:01,430 --> 02:06:00,800
it's just we're not staying here so we

3066
02:06:04,149 --> 02:06:01,440
go out

3067
02:06:05,589 --> 02:06:04,159
and we actually go to my father's house

3068
02:06:08,470 --> 02:06:05,599
i drove up to his

3069
02:06:09,990 --> 02:06:08,480
right where his bedroom window is and

3070
02:06:11,990 --> 02:06:10,000
it's probably midnight or

3071
02:06:13,750 --> 02:06:12,000
it's close to it by now and i knock on

3072
02:06:15,589 --> 02:06:13,760
dad's one and he

3073
02:06:16,870 --> 02:06:15,599
he said what's wrong son i said there's

3074
02:06:18,790 --> 02:06:16,880
something in our yard

3075
02:06:21,350 --> 02:06:18,800
i don't know what it is but i'm not

3076
02:06:23,990 --> 02:06:21,360
staying here you need to be careful

3077
02:06:26,149 --> 02:06:24,000
and he thought i was i was drinking he

3078
02:06:27,030 --> 02:06:26,159
said are you on drugs i said absolutely

3079
02:06:30,390 --> 02:06:27,040
not dad

3080
02:06:33,510 --> 02:06:30,400
i mean are you drinking i said no dad

3081
02:06:35,910 --> 02:06:33,520
and i wasn't getting support there

3082
02:06:37,830 --> 02:06:35,920
you know he's coming out of asleep and

3083
02:06:38,950 --> 02:06:37,840
he just couldn't grasp what i'm trying

3084
02:06:41,430 --> 02:06:38,960
to tell him

3085
02:06:43,109 --> 02:06:41,440
and the fear that junior and i were

3086
02:06:45,430 --> 02:06:43,119
experiencing so

3087
02:06:46,310 --> 02:06:45,440
we got we i went back jumped in the

3088
02:06:49,669 --> 02:06:46,320
truck uh

3089
02:06:52,069 --> 02:06:49,679
left him and wonder and

3090
02:06:53,109 --> 02:06:52,079
we drove about eight seven eight miles

3091
02:06:55,990 --> 02:06:53,119
away to

3092
02:06:57,990 --> 02:06:56,000
a local hayfield where there's a

3093
02:07:01,030 --> 02:06:58,000
ballpark and community area

3094
02:07:02,870 --> 02:07:01,040
and out in our community and i drove

3095
02:07:04,310 --> 02:07:02,880
right out in the very center of that

3096
02:07:07,510 --> 02:07:04,320
field

3097
02:07:09,270 --> 02:07:07,520
where i could see in every direction and

3098
02:07:10,870 --> 02:07:09,280
let the truck running and that's where

3099
02:07:14,069 --> 02:07:10,880
we spent the night until

3100
02:07:16,790 --> 02:07:14,079
it got daylight the next morning and

3101
02:07:19,669 --> 02:07:16,800
that was the end of the whole

3102
02:07:22,870 --> 02:07:19,679
uh that night i mean literally it was

3103
02:07:25,589 --> 02:07:22,880
terrifying i wasn't scared to begin with

3104
02:07:26,390 --> 02:07:25,599
i was to begin with and then remember i

3105
02:07:28,470 --> 02:07:26,400
kept saying

3106
02:07:30,390 --> 02:07:28,480
after i came back to the fire i wasn't

3107
02:07:31,350 --> 02:07:30,400
afraid but when i raised that wind and

3108
02:07:35,350 --> 02:07:31,360
saw this big

3109
02:07:39,030 --> 02:07:35,360
entity coming towards me it just

3110
02:07:39,990 --> 02:07:39,040
it brought back i mean i can't words

3111
02:07:43,109 --> 02:07:40,000
can't describe

3112
02:07:46,149 --> 02:07:43,119
the the electricity that i felt

3113
02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:46,159
that caused me to grab my son and and

3114
02:07:50,069 --> 02:07:46,560
flee

3115
02:07:53,189 --> 02:07:50,079
thinking i'm protecting this boat and

3116
02:07:55,990 --> 02:07:53,199
so we get home the next morning

3117
02:07:56,629 --> 02:07:56,000
and every day of my life i had to take

3118
02:07:59,270 --> 02:07:56,639
all these

3119
02:08:00,790 --> 02:07:59,280
regiments and medication and if i went a

3120
02:08:03,430 --> 02:08:00,800
day without it

3121
02:08:05,430 --> 02:08:03,440
um i couldn't function i would i would

3122
02:08:08,229 --> 02:08:05,440
go backwards a week maybe two

3123
02:08:09,589 --> 02:08:08,239
just so crucial i had this medicine

3124
02:08:12,470 --> 02:08:09,599
every day

3125
02:08:14,069 --> 02:08:12,480
well it's now 10 or 11 o'clock we're

3126
02:08:16,310 --> 02:08:14,079
home and i'm thinking

3127
02:08:17,189 --> 02:08:16,320
well i forgot my medication i forgot my

3128
02:08:20,069 --> 02:08:17,199
meds

3129
02:08:21,030 --> 02:08:20,079
but i don't feel sick i had no symptoms

3130
02:08:23,109 --> 02:08:21,040
that morning

3131
02:08:24,310 --> 02:08:23,119
uh let me let me jump in chris if you

3132
02:08:27,350 --> 02:08:24,320
don't mind uh

3133
02:08:30,470 --> 02:08:27,360
the medication uh is

3134
02:08:33,350 --> 02:08:30,480
is not for pain it's not narcotics

3135
02:08:34,790 --> 02:08:33,360
it's uh i i just want everybody to

3136
02:08:36,709 --> 02:08:34,800
understand we're talking about is it

3137
02:08:37,510 --> 02:08:36,719
okay if i i don't want to talk about

3138
02:08:40,790 --> 02:08:37,520
your symptoms

3139
02:08:43,270 --> 02:08:40,800
but you're taking steroids uh for

3140
02:08:46,229 --> 02:08:43,280
arthritis you weren't taking

3141
02:08:47,910 --> 02:08:46,239
right you weren't you uh we're not

3142
02:08:48,550 --> 02:08:47,920
talking about drugs we're talking about

3143
02:08:51,750 --> 02:08:48,560
uh

3144
02:08:54,229 --> 02:08:51,760
steroids right well that's now i take

3145
02:08:57,350 --> 02:08:54,239
that because i have rheumatoid that came

3146
02:08:59,189 --> 02:08:57,360
just a few years ago but at that time i

3147
02:09:02,830 --> 02:08:59,199
was taking steroids and

3148
02:09:06,629 --> 02:09:02,840
um this stuff called robinol

3149
02:09:07,189 --> 02:09:06,639
rimcade different medications that they

3150
02:09:10,790 --> 02:09:07,199
treat

3151
02:09:13,030 --> 02:09:10,800
uh ibs and crohn's for right stomach

3152
02:09:14,149 --> 02:09:13,040
stomach intestinal medication right

3153
02:09:18,310 --> 02:09:14,159
right right right

3154
02:09:20,790 --> 02:09:18,320
um and so that that right there is worth

3155
02:09:24,069 --> 02:09:20,800
a panic right there because you need

3156
02:09:27,750 --> 02:09:24,079
you need your meds and uh okay

3157
02:09:29,030 --> 02:09:27,760
so continuing and before uh i'm looking

3158
02:09:30,310 --> 02:09:29,040
at the clock we're gonna be at the

3159
02:09:32,149 --> 02:09:30,320
bottom of the hour

3160
02:09:34,390 --> 02:09:32,159
i can already tell we're gonna hang this

3161
02:09:36,950 --> 02:09:34,400
over into overtime so i'm gonna ask you

3162
02:09:38,709 --> 02:09:36,960
now to prepare for that types

3163
02:09:40,229 --> 02:09:38,719
there's there's just no way we're gonna

3164
02:09:43,189 --> 02:09:40,239
end this uh show in

3165
02:09:44,149 --> 02:09:43,199
20 minutes so okay so now you guys

3166
02:09:48,550 --> 02:09:44,159
return home

3167
02:09:51,830 --> 02:09:48,560
uh it's 10 a.m uh you forgot your meds

3168
02:09:54,390 --> 02:09:51,840
right so i i i start thinking

3169
02:09:56,709 --> 02:09:54,400
uh or start looking for them as as i'm

3170
02:10:00,149 --> 02:09:56,719
looking for them to go get them

3171
02:10:02,950 --> 02:10:00,159
and take them up i'm assessing

3172
02:10:05,350 --> 02:10:02,960
my symptoms which is usually severe

3173
02:10:08,629 --> 02:10:05,360
nausea

3174
02:10:10,870 --> 02:10:08,639
and severe diarrhea that comes with

3175
02:10:12,790 --> 02:10:10,880
crohn's disease and without this

3176
02:10:14,629 --> 02:10:12,800
medication i would start feeling like

3177
02:10:16,550 --> 02:10:14,639
i'm gonna throw up and

3178
02:10:17,830 --> 02:10:16,560
that was the first symptom well i didn't

3179
02:10:20,470 --> 02:10:17,840
have that

3180
02:10:21,589 --> 02:10:20,480
and within two to three days every

3181
02:10:24,149 --> 02:10:21,599
symptom was gone

3182
02:10:24,709 --> 02:10:24,159
and i never took any more medication for

3183
02:10:27,109 --> 02:10:24,719
that

3184
02:10:28,149 --> 02:10:27,119
and after seventeen and a half years of

3185
02:10:31,589 --> 02:10:28,159
suffering with it

3186
02:10:32,069 --> 02:10:31,599
being treated for it it was never there

3187
02:10:35,189 --> 02:10:32,079
again

3188
02:10:38,629 --> 02:10:35,199
it's gone disappeared

3189
02:10:41,669 --> 02:10:41,109
my wife comes home a couple three days

3190
02:10:44,870 --> 02:10:41,679
later

3191
02:10:46,149 --> 02:10:44,880
i tell her about everything and she's

3192
02:10:49,430 --> 02:10:46,159
terrified

3193
02:10:52,550 --> 02:10:49,440
she don't know what to think everybody

3194
02:10:55,990 --> 02:10:52,560
around thinks i'm nuts

3195
02:10:59,030 --> 02:10:56,000
i'm seeing satan

3196
02:11:02,069 --> 02:10:59,040
some of the churches or actually

3197
02:11:03,990 --> 02:11:02,079
they would wait till i left and

3198
02:11:05,990 --> 02:11:04,000
there was a church or two that would

3199
02:11:07,510 --> 02:11:06,000
come out and sprinkle holy water in my

3200
02:11:10,709 --> 02:11:07,520
property

3201
02:11:12,470 --> 02:11:10,719
my dad thought i was drinking or he

3202
02:11:13,910 --> 02:11:12,480
didn't believe it nobody wants to

3203
02:11:15,589 --> 02:11:13,920
believe in this kind of stuff

3204
02:11:20,229 --> 02:11:15,599
but i thought everybody would want to

3205
02:11:24,709 --> 02:11:20,239
believe and so that sent me into

3206
02:11:27,990 --> 02:11:24,719
almost 10 months in my room

3207
02:11:28,950 --> 02:11:28,000
uh not telling it publicly because my

3208
02:11:32,069 --> 02:11:28,960
wife thought i was

3209
02:11:33,669 --> 02:11:32,079
scaring my children to death now every

3210
02:11:35,270 --> 02:11:33,679
everybody in the community knows about

3211
02:11:38,390 --> 02:11:35,280
it and they're all talking about it and

3212
02:11:41,270 --> 02:11:38,400
i'm feeling more ostracized and more

3213
02:11:42,950 --> 02:11:41,280
depression i'm in this one room not

3214
02:11:43,830 --> 02:11:42,960
going to tell it because she didn't want

3215
02:11:47,109 --> 02:11:43,840
me to

3216
02:11:49,430 --> 02:11:47,119
um was hoping it would go away

3217
02:11:50,149 --> 02:11:49,440
but i had this worst headache i tried to

3218
02:11:53,109 --> 02:11:50,159
remember

3219
02:11:54,790 --> 02:11:53,119
that missing time and every time i would

3220
02:11:57,589 --> 02:11:54,800
think about it it would

3221
02:11:59,350 --> 02:11:57,599
actually make me pass out my wife would

3222
02:12:00,790 --> 02:11:59,360
tell you that i would if somebody

3223
02:12:03,669 --> 02:12:00,800
questioned me about it i

3224
02:12:04,790 --> 02:12:03,679
tried to think about it it would i would

3225
02:12:07,510 --> 02:12:04,800
just pass out

3226
02:12:08,790 --> 02:12:07,520
stress from it and my head would hurt so

3227
02:12:12,709 --> 02:12:08,800
bad

3228
02:12:18,069 --> 02:12:16,950
we had no tv so we just had internet so

3229
02:12:20,950 --> 02:12:18,079
i'm on the internet

3230
02:12:21,750 --> 02:12:20,960
surfing everything i can find about ufos

3231
02:12:25,189 --> 02:12:21,760
and

3232
02:12:27,669 --> 02:12:25,199
this ufo uh files comes on

3233
02:12:29,270 --> 02:12:27,679
first time i've seen it and it's stanton

3234
02:12:32,470 --> 02:12:29,280
freeman

3235
02:12:33,669 --> 02:12:32,480
and he's talking about this stuff and i

3236
02:12:36,149 --> 02:12:33,679
thought oh my lord this

3237
02:12:37,350 --> 02:12:36,159
is a pretty credible guy he's talking

3238
02:12:41,030 --> 02:12:37,360
about it

3239
02:12:44,870 --> 02:12:41,040
uh it kind of gave me the

3240
02:12:45,270 --> 02:12:44,880
the the strength to start thinking i'm

3241
02:12:47,350 --> 02:12:45,280
going to

3242
02:12:49,589 --> 02:12:47,360
tell this to somebody i need to talk to

3243
02:12:51,750 --> 02:12:49,599
this guy that's all i could think

3244
02:12:52,790 --> 02:12:51,760
and so they advertised mufon on their

3245
02:12:55,910 --> 02:12:52,800
website

3246
02:12:59,030 --> 02:12:55,920
and so i went on line and

3247
02:13:02,629 --> 02:12:59,040
they said report your sighting here so i

3248
02:13:05,430 --> 02:13:02,639
filled out the the form

3249
02:13:08,229 --> 02:13:05,440
and i didn't hit send for two weeks

3250
02:13:11,430 --> 02:13:08,239
because i just knew if i did this

3251
02:13:13,189 --> 02:13:11,440
um i would be in trouble with my family

3252
02:13:15,030 --> 02:13:13,199
my wife didn't want me talking about it

3253
02:13:17,189 --> 02:13:15,040
because his kids were absolutely

3254
02:13:18,709 --> 02:13:17,199
terrified my daughter you know she's 10

3255
02:13:20,149 --> 02:13:18,719
years old

3256
02:13:22,390 --> 02:13:20,159
and they were just hoping it would go

3257
02:13:24,790 --> 02:13:22,400
away so for two weeks

3258
02:13:27,030 --> 02:13:24,800
long about the 15th october which is my

3259
02:13:29,750 --> 02:13:27,040
birthday i hit sin

3260
02:13:30,709 --> 02:13:29,760
but within a day i get a call from

3261
02:13:34,069 --> 02:13:30,719
someone in

3262
02:13:37,750 --> 02:13:34,079
california jim dimachi

3263
02:13:40,790 --> 02:13:37,760
when when's your birthday october 15

3264
02:13:41,270 --> 02:13:40,800
61. okay uh i i thought you said

3265
02:13:44,310 --> 02:13:41,280
something

3266
02:13:48,310 --> 02:13:44,320
my birthday is october 10th right and

3267
02:13:54,470 --> 02:13:51,350
that would have been okay uh so

3268
02:13:57,189 --> 02:13:54,480
uh los angeles reaches out

3269
02:13:58,069 --> 02:13:57,199
right and says we'd like to come visit

3270
02:14:03,270 --> 02:13:58,079
you

3271
02:14:05,430 --> 02:14:03,280
is the local investigator can we send

3272
02:14:09,109 --> 02:14:05,440
him out and i said sure

3273
02:14:12,310 --> 02:14:09,119
and so another day goes by and this

3274
02:14:14,550 --> 02:14:12,320
gentleman by the name of steve mcdaniels

3275
02:14:16,790 --> 02:14:14,560
he's from raleigh about an hour away

3276
02:14:17,750 --> 02:14:16,800
he calls and says i want to come do an

3277
02:14:21,109 --> 02:14:17,760
investigation

3278
02:14:25,510 --> 02:14:21,119
so i got cold feet again i thought no

3279
02:14:29,910 --> 02:14:25,520
i can't do this uh i may be divorced

3280
02:14:32,229 --> 02:14:29,920
um you know just just agonizing over

3281
02:14:34,550 --> 02:14:32,239
should i tell it so i put him on hold

3282
02:14:36,390 --> 02:14:34,560
and here comes christmas

3283
02:14:37,669 --> 02:14:36,400
right after christmas he writes me and

3284
02:14:40,149 --> 02:14:37,679
he says

3285
02:14:41,510 --> 02:14:40,159
um well i guess since you're not going

3286
02:14:42,629 --> 02:14:41,520
to talk with us we're going to close

3287
02:14:44,950 --> 02:14:42,639
your case

3288
02:14:46,229 --> 02:14:44,960
and i said no you can't i've got to talk

3289
02:14:48,709 --> 02:14:46,239
to somebody

3290
02:14:50,550 --> 02:14:48,719
it's going to drive me up the wall i

3291
02:14:51,109 --> 02:14:50,560
can't remember what happened for all

3292
02:14:54,149 --> 02:14:51,119
that

3293
02:14:55,910 --> 02:14:54,159
time so he comes right about

3294
02:14:57,669 --> 02:14:55,920
the anniversary somewhere around the

3295
02:15:00,790 --> 02:14:57,679
first week of january

3296
02:15:03,990 --> 02:15:00,800
and he does the interview

3297
02:15:06,229 --> 02:15:04,000
and he mills it off to a headquarters

3298
02:15:08,069 --> 02:15:06,239
well i get a call from

3299
02:15:10,310 --> 02:15:08,079
the headquarters and this guy by the

3300
02:15:12,629 --> 02:15:10,320
name of james carion

3301
02:15:13,350 --> 02:15:12,639
and he's like that case is too important

3302
02:15:15,910 --> 02:15:13,360
for

3303
02:15:16,629 --> 02:15:15,920
steve to handle i want to assign new

3304
02:15:19,669 --> 02:15:16,639
people

3305
02:15:20,950 --> 02:15:19,679
to your case so here comes this guy with

3306
02:15:37,109 --> 02:15:20,960
a

3307
02:15:43,830 --> 02:15:37,119
comes

3308
02:15:45,109 --> 02:15:43,840
all these people norm gagnon from

3309
02:15:47,430 --> 02:15:45,119
maryland

3310
02:15:48,470 --> 02:15:47,440
so they're all there now somewhere

3311
02:15:51,910 --> 02:15:48,480
around the first

3312
02:15:55,589 --> 02:15:51,920
uh second month or so of

3313
02:15:57,830 --> 02:15:55,599
08 and by june

3314
02:15:59,669 --> 02:15:57,840
they never quit coming for a week after

3315
02:16:02,950 --> 02:15:59,679
week somebody was there one

3316
02:16:04,069 --> 02:16:02,960
two three guys usually just one after

3317
02:16:06,709 --> 02:16:04,079
the main

3318
02:16:08,149 --> 02:16:06,719
investigation it was richard and he

3319
02:16:11,189 --> 02:16:08,159
spent six months there

3320
02:16:11,910 --> 02:16:11,199
and they just interrogated me like i was

3321
02:16:14,950 --> 02:16:11,920
on

3322
02:16:16,950 --> 02:16:14,960
trial for murder or something and

3323
02:16:18,470 --> 02:16:16,960
i would just tell them if you ask me

3324
02:16:20,709 --> 02:16:18,480
these same questions again

3325
02:16:21,750 --> 02:16:20,719
i'm never going to talk to you again i

3326
02:16:25,109 --> 02:16:21,760
need to know what's

3327
02:16:27,189 --> 02:16:25,119
going on with me well once we finish the

3328
02:16:29,589 --> 02:16:27,199
the investigation we'll tell you what we

3329
02:16:33,589 --> 02:16:29,599
know and i kept begging for answers

3330
02:16:36,709 --> 02:16:33,599
but they never gave them they um

3331
02:16:40,150 --> 02:16:36,719
they insisted we do a ufo story

3332
02:16:42,790 --> 02:16:40,160
and tell the world and so i agreed to it

3333
02:16:44,549 --> 02:16:42,800
the discovery channel ufos over earth

3334
02:16:46,629 --> 02:16:44,559
thinking i'm going to be vindicated from

3335
02:16:49,589 --> 02:16:46,639
this pasture of misery

3336
02:16:50,230 --> 02:16:49,599
sleeping in this room alone nobody to

3337
02:16:52,309 --> 02:16:50,240
talk to

3338
02:16:54,230 --> 02:16:52,319
i just knew the world wanted to know

3339
02:16:57,429 --> 02:16:54,240
well that was the biggest mistake

3340
02:17:00,309 --> 02:16:57,439
ever because they did their thing and

3341
02:17:00,870 --> 02:17:00,319
they didn't show the evidence i got big

3342
02:17:02,950 --> 02:17:00,880
circles

3343
02:17:04,950 --> 02:17:02,960
burnt in my grass in the back and they

3344
02:17:08,629 --> 02:17:04,960
took uh soil analysis

3345
02:17:11,910 --> 02:17:08,639
and uh norma tell you his

3346
02:17:13,990 --> 02:17:11,920
information got stuffed away and all

3347
02:17:16,790 --> 02:17:14,000
they did was bring in the

3348
02:17:17,509 --> 02:17:16,800
guy from the fbi to do a lot of tech did

3349
02:17:20,549 --> 02:17:17,519
34

3350
02:17:21,990 --> 02:17:20,559
questions over two hours over and over

3351
02:17:25,030 --> 02:17:22,000
and over

3352
02:17:28,070 --> 02:17:25,040
and he said that i was being deceptive

3353
02:17:31,750 --> 02:17:28,080
over seeing an entity not about

3354
02:17:37,910 --> 02:17:34,790
nearly ruined the family i mean it was

3355
02:17:39,830 --> 02:17:37,920
awful what happened immediately is the

3356
02:17:41,589 --> 02:17:39,840
teachers called my kids

3357
02:17:44,549 --> 02:17:41,599
my daughter up front in front of the

3358
02:17:47,830 --> 02:17:46,070
they would make fun of their you know

3359
02:17:48,549 --> 02:17:47,840
these students would make fun of their

3360
02:17:50,790 --> 02:17:48,559
father

3361
02:17:52,469 --> 02:17:50,800
and can imagine the kids fighting for

3362
02:17:55,030 --> 02:17:52,479
their dad's credibility

3363
02:17:56,950 --> 02:17:55,040
right and now now they're seeing these

3364
02:18:00,070 --> 02:17:56,960
lights right over the first year

3365
02:18:01,830 --> 02:18:00,080
they're now experiencing it my wife is

3366
02:18:05,190 --> 02:18:01,840
experiencing shadow beings

3367
02:18:05,990 --> 02:18:05,200
and my children more than one time many

3368
02:18:07,589 --> 02:18:06,000
times

3369
02:18:09,669 --> 02:18:07,599
two at the time walking through our

3370
02:18:11,589 --> 02:18:09,679
house just looked like ghosts walking

3371
02:18:15,669 --> 02:18:11,599
through

3372
02:18:19,509 --> 02:18:15,679
and they reported that to mufon as well

3373
02:18:23,669 --> 02:18:19,519
so um i actually

3374
02:18:27,030 --> 02:18:23,679
was so upset that i went dark

3375
02:18:29,030 --> 02:18:27,040
and what i discovered was that these

3376
02:18:32,629 --> 02:18:29,040
beings

3377
02:18:32,950 --> 02:18:32,639
when they took me i did a regression

3378
02:18:39,750 --> 02:18:32,960
with

3379
02:18:41,669 --> 02:18:39,760
psychiatrist by the name of dr michael

3380
02:18:44,709 --> 02:18:41,679
o'connell we just

3381
02:18:47,429 --> 02:18:44,719
loved this guy he was so nice to us

3382
02:18:48,150 --> 02:18:47,439
and we spent a lot of time together and

3383
02:18:50,150 --> 02:18:48,160
uh

3384
02:18:51,750 --> 02:18:50,160
he made my headaches go away right

3385
02:18:53,429 --> 02:18:51,760
immediately as soon as we did the

3386
02:18:56,629 --> 02:18:53,439
regression

3387
02:18:59,509 --> 02:18:56,639
and um so

3388
02:19:00,309 --> 02:18:59,519
he passed away right after that and now

3389
02:19:04,230 --> 02:19:00,319
we're stuck

3390
02:19:06,309 --> 02:19:04,240
with we need answers we need help we ask

3391
02:19:07,910 --> 02:19:06,319
them can we find support can anybody

3392
02:19:11,110 --> 02:19:07,920
come help our children

3393
02:19:13,830 --> 02:19:11,120
help me and they walked away and said

3394
02:19:16,150 --> 02:19:13,840
your case is closed we don't have uh

3395
02:19:16,870 --> 02:19:16,160
we we don't you know they just didn't

3396
02:19:19,990 --> 02:19:16,880
help us

3397
02:19:22,950 --> 02:19:20,000
left us i tried to talk to the ufo world

3398
02:19:25,270 --> 02:19:22,960
they thought i was um too much for them

3399
02:19:25,990 --> 02:19:25,280
because i reported these beings as

3400
02:19:29,589 --> 02:19:26,000
angels

3401
02:19:30,309 --> 02:19:29,599
they came in balls of fire not a flying

3402
02:19:32,950 --> 02:19:30,319
saucer

3403
02:19:34,230 --> 02:19:32,960
i've reported them as orbs or big ball

3404
02:19:38,070 --> 02:19:34,240
of fire

3405
02:19:41,669 --> 02:19:38,080
i'm not sick anymore i don't understand

3406
02:19:44,870 --> 02:19:41,679
so there after the regression

3407
02:19:45,990 --> 02:19:44,880
i knew that it was they wanted me to

3408
02:19:50,150 --> 02:19:46,000
tell

3409
02:19:53,670 --> 02:19:50,160
what i knew and so i had this agonizing

3410
02:19:55,990 --> 02:19:53,680
um implanted

3411
02:19:57,990 --> 02:19:56,000
thing that i had to tell this i've got

3412
02:20:00,230 --> 02:19:58,000
to tell it so i'm beginning to

3413
02:20:01,750 --> 02:20:00,240
get it from everywhere that i'm dealing

3414
02:20:04,790 --> 02:20:01,760
with satan and

3415
02:20:05,910 --> 02:20:04,800
so i started doubting myself right so i

3416
02:20:08,870 --> 02:20:05,920
actually went dark

3417
02:20:09,750 --> 02:20:08,880
for for five years i would never talk

3418
02:20:14,590 --> 02:20:09,760
about it again

3419
02:20:18,550 --> 02:20:14,600
but during that time as of early 08

3420
02:20:23,830 --> 02:20:18,560
2008 around i would say june or july

3421
02:20:25,750 --> 02:20:23,840
right after mufon left ryan calls me dad

3422
02:20:26,870 --> 02:20:25,760
there's a guy here from nasa he wants to

3423
02:20:29,270 --> 02:20:26,880
talk to you

3424
02:20:30,309 --> 02:20:29,280
very big tall guy you know ryan's a

3425
02:20:33,510 --> 02:20:30,319
young boy

3426
02:20:35,349 --> 02:20:33,520
then so i said all right son if he wants

3427
02:20:37,030 --> 02:20:35,359
to see me bad enough i'll be home in an

3428
02:20:38,230 --> 02:20:37,040
hour just tell him to stick around well

3429
02:20:42,550 --> 02:20:38,240
he did

3430
02:20:45,670 --> 02:20:42,560
and that started a

3431
02:20:49,110 --> 02:20:45,680
about an 11 and a half or 12-year

3432
02:20:53,030 --> 02:20:49,120
um relationship with somebody that

3433
02:20:57,110 --> 02:20:53,040
we really uh he passed away this past

3434
02:20:59,270 --> 02:20:57,120
thanksgiving dr hal powell and meyer uh

3435
02:21:00,950 --> 02:20:59,280
he he's one of the top ranking

3436
02:21:03,590 --> 02:21:00,960
astronomers in the world

3437
02:21:05,190 --> 02:21:03,600
he mapped the moon i learned a lot of

3438
02:21:08,870 --> 02:21:05,200
secrets about that

3439
02:21:11,750 --> 02:21:08,880
stuff he shared and um

3440
02:21:12,070 --> 02:21:11,760
he has stuff on on the moon sitting up

3441
02:21:14,950 --> 02:21:12,080
there

3442
02:21:16,630 --> 02:21:14,960
because he's also a rocket scientist my

3443
02:21:20,389 --> 02:21:16,640
children loved him

3444
02:21:24,150 --> 02:21:20,399
he came religiously he loved my daughter

3445
02:21:25,910 --> 02:21:24,160
he went to her her recitals

3446
02:21:28,469 --> 02:21:25,920
he'd come all the way from florida just

3447
02:21:31,990 --> 02:21:28,479
to go to her graduations and

3448
02:21:35,030 --> 02:21:32,000
birthday parties so i would say

3449
02:21:38,469 --> 02:21:35,040
that it was just an

3450
02:21:40,309 --> 02:21:38,479
honor to know this man and he helped his

3451
02:21:41,429 --> 02:21:40,319
family he went to my mother and dad and

3452
02:21:44,870 --> 02:21:41,439
told them to

3453
02:21:45,910 --> 02:21:44,880
to to support me that that they only

3454
02:21:48,389 --> 02:21:45,920
knew

3455
02:21:48,950 --> 02:21:48,399
i was telling the truth well did that

3456
02:21:55,670 --> 02:21:48,960
help you

3457
02:21:58,630 --> 02:21:55,680
with dealing with this knowing that uh

3458
02:21:59,270 --> 02:21:58,640
here a scientist comes along from nasa

3459
02:22:02,469 --> 02:21:59,280
to help

3460
02:22:05,429 --> 02:22:02,479
ground you to let you know that

3461
02:22:05,910 --> 02:22:05,439
you know that this stuff uh could be

3462
02:22:11,030 --> 02:22:05,920
very

3463
02:22:14,230 --> 02:22:11,040
right or the experience or what you saw

3464
02:22:17,510 --> 02:22:14,240
but that these types of experience are

3465
02:22:18,710 --> 02:22:17,520
based in something that is real and is

3466
02:22:21,429 --> 02:22:18,720
physical

3467
02:22:23,429 --> 02:22:21,439
right and that helped you deal through

3468
02:22:26,309 --> 02:22:23,439
all of this

3469
02:22:27,349 --> 02:22:26,319
well yeah that and and i have to give

3470
02:22:30,469 --> 02:22:27,359
credit to

3471
02:22:32,630 --> 02:22:30,479
the u.s government because um

3472
02:22:34,389 --> 02:22:32,640
there and i can't say a whole lot there

3473
02:22:35,270 --> 02:22:34,399
but there are some scientists that we've

3474
02:22:39,110 --> 02:22:35,280
gotten to know

3475
02:22:42,469 --> 02:22:39,120
and are very fond of people um

3476
02:22:44,630 --> 02:22:42,479
like jim semivan he's in the cia we

3477
02:22:46,870 --> 02:22:44,640
we think the world of him my whole

3478
02:22:49,590 --> 02:22:46,880
family does he's a family friend him and

3479
02:22:53,190 --> 02:22:49,600
his beautiful wife did they

3480
02:22:56,870 --> 02:22:53,200
it was jim that helped put my middle son

3481
02:22:58,070 --> 02:22:56,880
jeremy um and my relationship back

3482
02:23:00,309 --> 02:22:58,080
together because

3483
02:23:01,110 --> 02:23:00,319
he was you know the kids were

3484
02:23:03,750 --> 02:23:01,120
embarrassed

3485
02:23:05,349 --> 02:23:03,760
he was a lot there at a time he's in

3486
02:23:07,830 --> 02:23:05,359
college and

3487
02:23:09,429 --> 02:23:07,840
you know here's even though he's seeing

3488
02:23:12,389 --> 02:23:09,439
this stuff

3489
02:23:13,510 --> 02:23:12,399
um it was these people that helped us

3490
02:23:15,990 --> 02:23:13,520
the most

3491
02:23:18,309 --> 02:23:16,000
not the ufo world they didn't want to

3492
02:23:21,910 --> 02:23:18,319
hear it they wanted to talk about

3493
02:23:25,349 --> 02:23:21,920
zeta reticulins and pleiadians and

3494
02:23:27,349 --> 02:23:25,359
star cruisers and people fighting

3495
02:23:29,429 --> 02:23:27,359
reptilians on mars that's all i could

3496
02:23:31,670 --> 02:23:29,439
think about well that didn't

3497
02:23:34,389 --> 02:23:31,680
jive with what happened to me and i'm

3498
02:23:37,750 --> 02:23:34,399
still having this to go on right

3499
02:23:40,389 --> 02:23:37,760
um so

3500
02:23:41,590 --> 02:23:40,399
five years goes by and i'm not telling

3501
02:23:43,590 --> 02:23:41,600
nobody i'm just

3502
02:23:45,590 --> 02:23:43,600
hanging out with these scientists that

3503
02:23:46,150 --> 02:23:45,600
come into our lives and there's more

3504
02:23:48,950 --> 02:23:46,160
than one

3505
02:23:50,389 --> 02:23:48,960
i can't save these others but all these

3506
02:23:52,710 --> 02:23:50,399
people are surrounded us

3507
02:23:54,710 --> 02:23:52,720
now and these people are having

3508
02:23:57,110 --> 02:23:54,720
experiences with me

3509
02:24:00,150 --> 02:23:57,120
dr pablo meyer sit right there in a

3510
02:24:02,230 --> 02:24:00,160
chair in the backyard and it had his

3511
02:24:05,190 --> 02:24:02,240
gallbladder removed and was very sick

3512
02:24:06,870 --> 02:24:05,200
so i it was just he and i and i we sit

3513
02:24:08,710 --> 02:24:06,880
in a lounge chair and i went in and got

3514
02:24:13,429 --> 02:24:08,720
a big blanket and wrapped him up and we

3515
02:24:16,630 --> 02:24:16,150
i cosmos got to meet the most brilliant

3516
02:24:19,030 --> 02:24:16,640
people

3517
02:24:21,830 --> 02:24:19,040
and share a lot of experiences with them

3518
02:24:25,270 --> 02:24:21,840
and to this day we still do

3519
02:24:25,670 --> 02:24:25,280
in fact um i if we had time to talk

3520
02:24:27,670 --> 02:24:25,680
about

3521
02:24:29,270 --> 02:24:27,680
it there i could get into a lot of

3522
02:24:32,710 --> 02:24:29,280
different folks that have come

3523
02:24:34,070 --> 02:24:32,720
here well uh we have uh yeah we have

3524
02:24:36,870 --> 02:24:34,080
about

3525
02:24:37,590 --> 02:24:36,880
five four minutes before the break when

3526
02:24:40,230 --> 02:24:37,600
we come back

3527
02:24:42,309 --> 02:24:40,240
after the break chris uh i want to uh

3528
02:24:44,630 --> 02:24:42,319
talk about uh the tree

3529
02:24:46,870 --> 02:24:44,640
in the backyard that that right there is

3530
02:24:48,870 --> 02:24:46,880
a is a three-hour show

3531
02:24:50,389 --> 02:24:48,880
but i want to say i want to save that

3532
02:24:53,429 --> 02:24:50,399
for the last segment

3533
02:24:56,790 --> 02:24:53,439
uh when when uh we

3534
02:24:58,070 --> 02:24:56,800
say uh three three-letter agencies and

3535
02:25:01,670 --> 02:24:58,080
their involvement though

3536
02:25:04,710 --> 02:25:01,680
i do mention nasa you mentioned semi-van

3537
02:25:08,070 --> 02:25:04,720
which uh jim is uh

3538
02:25:08,630 --> 02:25:08,080
i'm assuming is the cia element here who

3539
02:25:12,550 --> 02:25:08,640
else

3540
02:25:16,630 --> 02:25:12,560
uh from the agencies visited you or not

3541
02:25:20,550 --> 02:25:16,640
what types of agencies well

3542
02:25:23,510 --> 02:25:20,560
just aerospace industry okay

3543
02:25:25,429 --> 02:25:23,520
and i can't say who they're i can say

3544
02:25:29,590 --> 02:25:25,439
that

3545
02:25:32,790 --> 02:25:29,600
of

3546
02:25:35,990 --> 02:25:32,800
in her book

3547
02:25:36,870 --> 02:25:36,000
american cosmic the character in there

3548
02:25:39,990 --> 02:25:36,880
tyler i

3549
02:25:43,349 --> 02:25:40,000
introduced him to diana so

3550
02:25:44,950 --> 02:25:43,359
there's been a lot of stuff i can't

3551
02:25:47,670 --> 02:25:44,960
share at all but i can

3552
02:25:50,070 --> 02:25:47,680
make you know little links here but

3553
02:25:51,190 --> 02:25:50,080
that's her story to tell i won't ever go

3554
02:25:54,550 --> 02:25:51,200
there

3555
02:25:58,309 --> 02:25:54,560
but very prominent scientists that all

3556
02:26:01,590 --> 02:25:58,319
are in and the same idea

3557
02:26:04,309 --> 02:26:01,600
as as you and i the to to find out what

3558
02:26:07,590 --> 02:26:04,319
it is and to use anything to help

3559
02:26:11,270 --> 02:26:07,600
the sick um you know

3560
02:26:13,670 --> 02:26:11,280
that's that's uh

3561
02:26:14,550 --> 02:26:13,680
i just have to can't say much there but

3562
02:26:18,710 --> 02:26:14,560
there's

3563
02:26:21,910 --> 02:26:18,720
basically um the aerospace industry

3564
02:26:24,309 --> 02:26:21,920
people are very interested all of us

3565
02:26:26,230 --> 02:26:24,319
it's one of the most biggest top secret

3566
02:26:30,710 --> 02:26:26,240
things in the world or has been

3567
02:26:32,550 --> 02:26:30,720
and and trust me they want to know

3568
02:26:34,230 --> 02:26:32,560
because i ask them many times i ask why

3569
02:26:35,670 --> 02:26:34,240
are you here why are you why do you want

3570
02:26:38,630 --> 02:26:35,680
to talk to me

3571
02:26:39,830 --> 02:26:38,640
well we want to know what it is we want

3572
02:26:42,230 --> 02:26:39,840
to find out

3573
02:26:43,190 --> 02:26:42,240
apparently it likes you it don't come

3574
02:26:46,710 --> 02:26:43,200
and talk with us

3575
02:26:48,870 --> 02:26:46,720
so we want to know and so that's led me

3576
02:26:50,630 --> 02:26:48,880
down a road of being

3577
02:26:52,790 --> 02:26:50,640
you know here in the ufo world saying

3578
02:26:55,190 --> 02:26:52,800
they got eight or nine machines locked

3579
02:26:57,750 --> 02:26:55,200
up at area 51 and they fly them all over

3580
02:26:59,110 --> 02:26:57,760
the cosmos well i'm being asked how does

3581
02:27:03,030 --> 02:26:59,120
the electrons move

3582
02:27:07,030 --> 02:27:03,040
right you know i'm being asked

3583
02:27:09,990 --> 02:27:07,040
you know it just just trust me

3584
02:27:10,870 --> 02:27:10,000
right right and uh really quick before

3585
02:27:14,309 --> 02:27:10,880
the break chris

3586
02:27:18,070 --> 02:27:14,319
uh the uh the first uh

3587
02:27:21,510 --> 02:27:18,080
little guy right the the four foot uh

3588
02:27:23,030 --> 02:27:21,520
guy and the second one that approached

3589
02:27:26,550 --> 02:27:23,040
your window that was

3590
02:27:30,150 --> 02:27:26,560
uh around eight foot tall were they

3591
02:27:31,270 --> 02:27:30,160
were they the same you know just

3592
02:27:34,469 --> 02:27:31,280
different sizes

3593
02:27:37,510 --> 02:27:34,479
or are we talking about uh two different

3594
02:27:40,710 --> 02:27:37,520
species here well we're talking

3595
02:27:43,590 --> 02:27:40,720
um about two different entities uh

3596
02:27:45,030 --> 02:27:43,600
the the little ones were either it was

3597
02:27:48,710 --> 02:27:45,040
mechanical

3598
02:27:51,349 --> 02:27:48,720
and um or technology they were glowing

3599
02:27:53,349 --> 02:27:51,359
we had the triangle in the chest and i

3600
02:27:55,910 --> 02:27:53,359
was very close to that

3601
02:27:56,550 --> 02:27:55,920
so was chris junior for a long time in

3602
02:28:00,950 --> 02:27:56,560
more than

3603
02:28:04,389 --> 02:28:00,960
almost two hours the tall being

3604
02:28:05,990 --> 02:28:04,399
i saw for a short second and and then in

3605
02:28:08,710 --> 02:28:06,000
the regression

3606
02:28:09,990 --> 02:28:08,720
it was those beings that were that

3607
02:28:13,110 --> 02:28:10,000
appeared

3608
02:28:16,630 --> 02:28:13,120
in my regression on board that

3609
02:28:18,230 --> 02:28:16,640
egg-shaped craft and and here's the

3610
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funny thing

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when they did the television show they

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they put my i did the regression live on

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television

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with uh the discovery channel well they

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tried to make it

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make me look stupid because of an

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hour and a half in regression the only

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thing they put on there was

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me describing these little beings that i

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saw in the backyard

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this little being and they said well

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who are these little beings in real life

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same question you just

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asked in relation to the big one i said

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well they're their children they let

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them out to play

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and that's what came out of the

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regression and everybody got a great big

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laugh but when this guy came from

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florida knocking on my door said can we

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talk about those little children

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with the triangle on their chest so let

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me tell you there's a big

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thing about this triangle and i can't

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say a whole lot there but

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it's on the dollar bill and it's out in

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egypt and

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uh there's there's a lot more known

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about that than

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we would ever imagine

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and with that chris i got to take a

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break right here so let's do that

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and we'll come straight back i want to

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uh

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get into the burning tree

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and we will do that after the break and

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maybe i get some more information about

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this triangle too out of chris

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we'll see how that goes this is fade to

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black i'm your host jimmy church

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i guess tonight chris bledsoe chris

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thank you for this conversation

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absolutely amazing twitter is on fire

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thank you everybody

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we'll be back with overtime with chris

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bledsoe after this short break stay with

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